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A VISA affinity card promoted by a group called United Macedonian Diaspora Fund (UMD) is deeply offending ethnic Greeks because the card uses the Star of Vergina, a Hellenic symbol from the ancient Greece.
“The United Macedonian Diaspora UMD a Washington DC-based lobby [is] promoting false historical revisionism,” says a statement of the Cyprus Action Network of America or CANA.
United Macedonian Diaspora UMD promoter, Denis Manevski, has failed to respond to our inquiries. Mr. Manevski declined to answer us after he replied twice to serbianna.com inquiries with questions of his own.
“Star of Vergina symbol that is copyrighted exclusively in all its forms by the Hellenic Republic, in violation of Article 6ter of the Paris Convention for the Protection of State Emblems, and Names, Abbreviations and Emblems of International Intergovernmental Organizations under the WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization),” says CANA.
A Star of Vergina as promoted by the United Macedonian Diaspora Fund was originally used on the flag of the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia but it was subsequently modified because it is a Greek symbol.
Nikolaos Taneris, of the Cyprus Action Network of America, says that the star used on FYROM flag is the “1995 diplomatic compromise with the Greek state which holds the trademark to the Star of Vergina”.
In 1945, communists, led by Croatian Tito and in cooperation with the Bulgarian-born adviser to Stalin, Georgi Dimitrov, decided to form a unique so-called “macedonian” church and a corresponding “macedonian” nationality out of the Byzantine recognized Serbian church parishes in today’s Macedonia, only in order to use that creation as a pretext to attack Greece and conquer parts of it.
Dimitrov advised Stalin and had influence on the international communist policy making body called Cominform. Cominform said that the Serbs are chauvinists and that Kosovo should eventually be given to Albania. Bulgaria and Macedonia have both recently recognized Kosovo as an independent state.
No Ecumenical Church has recognized the self-proclaimed “macedonian” church.
Bishop from Ohrid, Jovan, has been imprisoned by the Skopje authorities several times because he has suggested that the renegade “macedonian” church should unite back with its holy apostolic sea.
Bulgaria has recently marked it’s independence in Macedonia’s capital of Skopje while the opposition party in Bulgaria has demanded more land from Serbia and Greece.
Many in today’s Macedonia, despite that they are Slavs, believe that they are descendants of the Hellenic leader Alexander the Great to whom the Star of Vergina is attributed to.
Greece is worried that such beliefs are deliberately fostered by the government in Skopje in order to seek Greek territory and has vowed to block Skopje’s entry into NATO and other EU institutions unless it compromises on the matter.
“Using the United Macedonian Diaspora Affinity Credit Card for everyday purchases is an easy way for supporters to help further the Macedonian cause,” said Denis Manevski, UMD Treasurer, on the web site.
With offices boasting to be in Washington DC, Brussels, Canberra, London, Melbourne, New York, Paris, Stuttgart, Sydney, and Toronto, one of the United Macedonian Diaspora Fund missions is to “Defend the Macedonian ethnic identity”.
One can support VISA Macedonia card at:
http://umdiaspora.org/content/view/373/1/
The Cyprus Action Network of America urges to “Ask VISA President Mr. William M. Sheedy to call on the CardPartner Visa affinity credit card program” so it can be canceled at:
https://corporate.visa.com/ut/contactus.jsp
December 10, 2008
SERBIANNA
OI
One of these days these low-life putanas, are going to wish they are called Macaronia not Macedonia, which is Greek!!!
hi
If you give up the Star of Vergina and the name Macedonia now, maybee the Greeks will let you spell Macedonia backwards. And if not, than they are going to turn you into Mizeria. Didn’t you cockroaches see that they stopped the whole world from calling their cheeses fetta? Just imagine how far the Greeks are willing to go for their name and their symbol. Do you ever think, or play the what if game???
Macedonia for the Macedonians!
everybody cancel your visa cards until visa retracts this discrasful card. these acts of provocation will never help raproachment between the salvs and the greeks.
I’ve already applied for one..
Burn Greece BURN>>>>>>>>>>>
Bloody Turkic Christians make me sick…
Long live Macedonia
BTW whats with the Superioty mentality of the Greeks and Serbs?
everybody cancel your visa cards until visa retracts this discrasful card. these acts of provocation will never help raproachment between the salvs and the greeks.
By Panagos the Great on Dec 11, 2008
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Greece has no economy according to the latest statistics… hence why people are rioting, the Geek economy with its inflation is destined for troubled times.. you had it good with your freaking gay swedish tourists, now that they have stopped giving it to you in the golo your economy is finish you pousties…
As for raproachment with the Slavs.. I think you should concentrate on your very powerful neighbour Turkey… if you dont watch yourselfs the Turks will Take Cyprus and Thrace within half an hour.. not only will they take thrace and cyprus, they will also take your women once they see the migalo Turkic boutso.. I say Turkic Boutso in Greek Muni.. yeah baby…
Tis manusu.. you racist small minded little people….
Morons, are you fighting over a VISA card?You should be worrying about the situation i Atina,Solun and rest of Greece. It is not fair for the rest 98% of the innocent Greek citizens. The people have chosen the government and as a democracy you should wait until the next election and not fight over a boy that threw molotovs on a cop. In any other country that would be self defence. It’s not the jungle, it’s supposed to be civilized europe.
BR,
A proud Macedonian
There are many other cultures who share the legacy to this symbol. It is totally unaccepted for Greece to claim its legacy solely…
http://issuu.com/petro_invictus/docs/the_sun_on_cross
The Macedonian Sun has been an undeniable part of the Macedonian history ever since time immemorial…
It has become a political tool for Greece after it was discovered in the Vergina Tomb…
Macedonia has officially become part of Greece ever since the Balkan Wars… Prior to this period Macedonia has never been a Greek land!!!
Ancient Macedonia was a Greek/Hellenic Kingdom.
Now, the Slavic Populations living in the REGION of Macedonia can not claim any part of Ancient Macedonia, Alexander or Philip, simply because the Slavic tribes arrived in the Region about 1000 years after Alexander, and about 600 years after the assimilation of Macedons with the rest of the Hellenes and the Hellenistic world in general.
Now, as for Vergina star, this was not a Macedonian symbol as such, but a ‘religious’ symbol of all Hellenism, found in countless vases and paintings all over the Hellenistic world, even before the Macedonians ever existed.
That said, FYROM (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia had a chance to call itself what it liked, but since their ridiculous claims in Greek ancient history are not stopping, Greece will always be there to stop them.
In case you don’t realize, the Skopjan politics resemble totalitarian governments bring up Fascistic memories. Yes, now, in the 20th century, in the heart of the Balkans..
How could that be possible today I ask..
MACEDONIA for the MACEDONIANS!
Not the Slav Impostor Fyromians who violated the region 1000 years after Alexander!
There has never been any artifact with Slavic writing found from this period in the real Macedonia….. or Turkey or Egypt or Persia or Afghanistan or India for that matter.
TO BE MACEDONIAN IS TO BE GREEK!!
Gruevski is a low life
To Caesar, what’s Caesar. Should the turks move to cyprus, Italy won’t stand still, and will made offers one canoot refuse
if the vergina sun is acctualy a hellenic trademark, all they have to do is legaly demand for visa to stop issuing that card and replace the existing ones with new numbers. Otherwise demand compensation. The way the economy is now, visa won’t think twice of canceling, just the thought of court fees and compenstation should be enough motivation.
Both sides are wrong, modern day Makedonci are stupid for allowing to be brainwashed that they are something they are not. Greeks are wrong for saying there were never any Slavic speaking people occupying the Agean area of what is now Greece. Hundreds of thousands of Slavs were expelled from that area. No ifs not buts no nothing, 100% FACTUAL!
As for the modern day Makedonci believing they have ties to Alexander you are no better than the albanians with all there wrongfull claims. tito filled you with gomna. tito gave you a false identity, a false nationality, a false ethnicity and a false church, not recognized by any organized and recognized Orthodox Church in the world. Makedonci are only Serbijan or Bugar, NOTHING else! You guys need to open your eyes and wake up one day or keep holding hands with the shiptari and loose what litle you have budali!
To RealMicedonian- The superiority mentality is a simple and honest result of evolution in the Balkans. We have a very long history here in the Balkans, which has been well documented and recorded. Although we should not judge one another, we do. When we do, we look to history for past performances like: heros in wars, sports, intellectual contributions, loyolty, perseverance with dignity and integrity, honesty, etc. By judging one another through our long history we come to see who is still crawling and who is walking tall. If you are trying to take something that clearly does not belong to you, you will be judged for it by your neighbors. If you pay charlatans like Megallomatis and that German or Austrian fella, to lie and invent history to your liking, yes, you will be judged by your neighbors. If your people are of sychophantic and back-stabbing nature….I think you get my point by now– got to go I am late for work.
To Just another Serb:
I love that name you came up with – MICEdonia. It’s perfect for these efen people!
I got one that suits them even better! Check it out! -MISERdonia- What do you think???
RealMacedonian-
It is you and your brothers the Croats, that have superiority issues. You are unhappy with your history and with who you actually are,and are constantly trying to re-invent yourselves. Your brother Croats like to believe themselves as these superior non-slav western cultured aristocrats, while you guys like to think of yourselves as these noble decendence of Alexander the Great. The difference here is that both the Serbs and the Greeks know who and what they are and are both proud of their heritage, culture, and history. In the Balkans the Croats will always be viewed for what they were for most of their history; Austrian horse groomers, and in present times, wannabe aristocrats and cultured snobs. You guys, that like to call yourselves Macedonians, will always be viewed as vagina smoke. The only legitimate connection that you have regarding Alexander the Great, is that you assasinated one in Paris with your Croat brothers.
Sorry, Marseilles not Paris.
To all Serbs…
It’s funny we would have Serbs telling us what we are and what we aren’t..
To start with we are definately not Serb! so then why on earth did you guys together with the Greeks slaughter our people 100 years ago in the name of expanding your little nations? for 40 years we were called Southern Serbia, vardar banovina or some crap like that.. you enlsaved our people..
Maybe we became Macedonian becuase of your inteference? maybe we would have been part of Bulgaria today if it werent for you and the Greeks.. now you telling us we are crazy.. YOUR THE ONES THAT TRY TO CHANGE US AND IMPOSE ON US…
And as for Serbia… in the last 100 years they have lost
- Vardar province
- Sprsko Krajina
- Bosnia
- Kosovo…
Hence talk to the hand..
I really don’t understand why Serbs want to get involved with Macedonia’s name. Is it not the problem of Macedonia and Greece? If the Serbs really cared about this issue why did they accept Macedonia in Yugoslavia? This just shows how Serbs are: they take sides and they are not just. They can not be trusted just like the Greeks.
Macedonia Is Greece! Pa’me gamethis FYROM
sigh… they dug up the star in 1977
to this day NO ONE KNOWS what it was supposed to be. a symbol of Macedonia? an emblem of someone?, a religious symbol? or if it represented something at all and was just a nice looking pattern.
the desperation by all concerned is pretty pathetic…
@Benny
Serbs want to get involved because during the time in question… they were NOWHERE TO BE FOUND in the area.
having an irrelevant opionion on the matter today, just lets em sidestep their immigrant status as far as the balkans as whole is concerned.
We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are Slavs and our language is closely related to Bulgarian. There is some confusion about our identity.
*Gyordan Veselinov, Macedonia’s Ambassador to Canada
We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century (AD)… we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.
*Kiro Gligorov, Former President of FYR Macedonia
Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they ?belong to the same Slav people.?
call these songs Bulgarian and not Slavic, because if someone today should ask the Macedonian Slav “what are you?” he would be immediately be told: “I am Bulgarian” and would call his language “Bulgarian”.
*Stefan Verkovich, Bosnian folklorist, “Folk Songs of the Macedonian Bulgarian”, Vol. 1
Journalist: What is your opinion for the problem which Greece has to accept the name Macedonia which the Scopje Government (FYROM) is trying to implement?
Henry Kissinger: Look, I believe that Greece is right to object and I agree with Athens. The reason is that I know history which is not the case with most of the others including most of the Government and Administration in Washington. The strength of the Greek case is that of the history which I must say that Athens have not used so far with success.
Henry Kissinger, Management Centre Europe, Paris, 19 June 1992
Can’t explain how a part of slav nation denied their ancestors (all beein Bulgarians) and try to invent a new history, as they have admit…
“The idea that Alexander the Great was something that belonged to our history was in the minds of some extremist political groups only! These groups were insignificant the first years of our independence, but the big problem is that the old Balkan Nations have been used to be legitimized through their history. In the Balkans, if you want to be recognized as a Nation, you need to have history 3000 years old. So since you made us invent a history, we invented it!(?) You forced us to the arms of the extreme nationalists who today claim that we are direct descendants of Alexander the Great!
Denko Maleski, first Minister of foreign affairs of FYROM (1991 to 1993) and ambassador to the United Nations from 1993 to 1997, in an interview to Greek TV channel Mega, November 2006
Why not move along and attempt at inventing a new history!
We will change the name when you change your underware and sox. Which is never! LOL
Can you name one Macedonian Philosopher that wasn’t Hellenic budalo?
Still LOL!!
Hey Greeks, how come you don’t Slavs? What did they do to you you greasy and dirty Pousties ???
I meant to say how come you don’t like slavs…
To the Anonymouse Malaka above me,
IF you STUDY the facts, you will see that Greece does not hate slavs, infact we love our Slavic Orthodox Brothers. I thank you for making things even clearer by indirectly claiming that this issue is brought about by our (greek) hatred towards your SLAVIC people. Study first when slavic people deccended into the Balkans, and then explain to me how you can be both a slav, and a Macedonian with ties to ancient Macedonia and Alexander the Great END OF STORY….
Zhto h Boulgaria!
Zhto h Serbia!
Zhto h Ellas!
KATO TA XERIA APO TIN MAKEDONIA!!!
There is also a Macedonia in Indiana. Does that belong to Macedonians as well?
Ej sarplaninac
Ti si kopile….
If only you know the suffering our people have endured by the Serb and Greek… the old people in our village call the Serbs dogs… becuase dogs is what you are…
How did Serbia take over Vardar Macedonia? did they have a referendum? oh the locals decided to be Serbs? no… they took the land by war…
I dont think Serbia will take anything, if anything Dimitrograd, Bosilegrad will be taken back by Bulgaria… as Bulgarians live there..
I bet you have heard about the serb saying about the apple tree? its happening as we speak…
As for why our families left, your right our families couldnt get jobs as the Jobs were taken by Serbs…
Serbs are the dumbest race on earth… even after you lost Kosovo you can’t even take whats rightfully yours Republica Srpska.. soon the Moslems will move in and take that dump… as for Srpsko Krajina.. well ustasa are mowing your hos now…
Oh and please change your nickname….
I think shar planina is located in Macedonia and Kosova..
Sloboda ili Smrt
Velika Bulgaria…
Thank God Kosova is independent. Now we won’t have to share the borders with the dogs.
This guy claiming to be RealMacedonian is obviously Bulgarian since at the end of his last comment he wrote greater Bulgaria ! And by the way RealBulgarian, There is also plenty of Serbs that live in FYROM.
Dear George,
35 000 Serbs live in Macedonia as per the last census…
Their are plenty of Macedonians in Serbia too
25,847 to be precise..!
+ 90 000 Bulgarians.. i say give us our land back….
Theives.. and give back Presevo to the Albanians and Vojvodina to the Hungarians..
Oh and Sandjak to Bosnia…
The policies of your Great Grandfathers is start reep the rewards..
I wqill make it very short.The Greeks are not qualified to make any assertion on the Macedonian question for the following reasons.Mr. Gandeto wrote the following;FABRICATORS OF MACEDONIAN HISTORY”Quote from Polybius”speakers of same language”with which the Greek fellow wanted to use as proof that Ancient Macedonians spoke the same language as the Ancient Greeks and thus,they must be classed as Greeks. Now,these same Greeks are burning the candle from the other end and want to argue the point but this time ,since it suits their purpose,in the opposite direction,namely that “linguistic criteria are not only insufficient to denote ethnic naunces in the Balkans but they can be misleading. A lesson learnrd,you cannot burn the candle from both ends and expect not to get burned. Again,refering to your original statement above,I could not have said it better myself,you fellows are true students of the art of manipulation. As a matter of fact,you have not only mastered the art of manupelating the text but have brought it to another level, the level of highest distinction.Like so many other things that you Greeks have invented,this the art of fabrication is desrvedly yours.You have won the argument hands down”.
Peter——– So what’s your point other than an attempt to insult?
wannabees.
Where are your following reasons? On your next try make it very long, this was too short.
Long live Malakadonia! Formerly known as FYROM.
You guys should kiss and make love Greek style. What’s in a name anyway?
Only if the Greeks approve the use of their style.
Why can’t you all get along?
Stay out of this Rodney, you don’t know what you are talking about.
I am confused! Can some intellegent person out there please explain to me what this is all about.
Iam not sure, but I think it has something to do with macadamian nuts and fetta cheese.
Today, we are all Macedonians!
Is Macedonia a country or a continent?
Are you guys talking about Macedonia,Indiana?
No.
NO,George. We are talking about FYROM.
What does FYROM stand for?
FYROM is desired by Bulgaria because they see it as a de-link between Serbia and Greece, which wacks off Slovakia-Romania-Serbia-Greece axis.
The Slovakia-Romania-Serbia-Greece axis will be remade once Serbia joins EU and FYROM needs to find a way to come closer to Serbia or it will be decapitated. Serbia is the only one that has recognized their “invented” nationality and that is something Skopje should live with.
Bulgarians are playing the Albanian hand by supporting their territorial acquisitions and are too willing to cut off FYROM along Vardar (Axios) just to achieve that.
No one in Serbia desires FYROM land even if their scizmatic church decides to come back to the Serb church. Besides, FYROM has no economic capital and brings no gain for Serbia, besides some chromium around Tetovo that Albanians hold, and bunch of dry land.
Jane, Former Yugoslav Republic of Majmuni.
Please don’t use my name anymore, it’s copyrighted.
Hi
hello.
OK,my point is this;you Greeks dont know what you are.You claim, you are Macedonians like Karamanlis,but you are NOT.Get real you people,you are not even Greek,you are a mixture of Macedonians,Albanians,Vlahs,Roma and Turks.So stop this Greek sherade and identify yourselfs who you realy are.Your comments that Macedonians are Bulgarian,Slavs is out of date my friends.People know your motives.Greek Ancient historians are telling you the truth and you still plaiyng the same violine.Come on and be real.Why are you throwing dust to the eyes of the world? no one believes you,get it through your heads.You are who you are,Afro-Asian ancestry,dont be ashamed,or is this the reason you claim to be the desendance of Alexander the Great? Well, you are NOT!Furthermore,you are not even related to the Ancient Greeks.Tell the world,where does your ancestry come from?Prove it to the world.Up untill 1832 you were not even called Greek.Ottos friend was wondering what to call you (Graco).You were baptised by a German.You Greeks are very funny,one day you are Macedonians,other day you dont know who you are.Stop making yourselfs stupid looking,because you comments are as stupid as they come!Just read the comment above I wrote about your mind shifting(fabrications and falsiffication of history).If you dont like my true comments,I can say to you one thing,come out with the truth,dont hide under your mammas skirt.
Hey Peter, I think you are on to something here. They do smell a little like a mixture of Turks and Albanians,with a little dash of feta.
And yes, they all have feta on their vilos.
Why can’t everybody argue about something peaceful like who’s food,women, or party life is better. Who cares about the land anyway? Its just borders put in place to separate a bunch of people that truly have so much in common. This is a battle that can never be won. And by the way Vuk, Macedonia has plenty of good land it is not dry land I don’t know which parts you have traveled to but you are wrong on that comment. And for all the people who are mad at Greece, Greece is the biggest investor in Macedonia right now as far as business goes so you should be happy that they are there doing business and helping the economy there. And for all the people living in illusions, most of the people towards the northern part of Macedonia are of Serbian ancestry so what it comes down to is who cares about it all. In America there is so many different people that nobody makes claims to any land.
I say they smell more like road kill that’s been in the sun for awhile, with just a hint of mutton.
Hey , have you ever went out with a Geek girl that forgat to shave for a couple of days? Man, I had a red a rash all over my scrotum. For many days. I am dead serious!
Did you mean shave her face or her back?
No. Her face dude. It was like sanding paper # 40
Wowoli Wow! I will carry shaving kit with me now. Thank you for warnings.
Geek men have small toys!
That’s because their toys evolved for the boys.
I hear for sheep too.
You are all gonna to go to hell if you don’t change your evil ways!
I like boys also.
No way!
Yea way
greeks inventet sex but italian itrudust to women
You guys really have some good zingers! LOL
a velos, try that one more time-only this time use a dictionary. Thank you very much.
Yeah, maybe they inventet, but thy did it all
backwards.
Yes, they used the back door.
Hey Tzimmy, can I be your back door man? LOL
LOL
Hey, whats all dis got to do with Macedonia stealing Greeks visa card?
That guy George upthere with his peaceful comparisons is funnier than you guys, and he was trying to be serious. But his heart is in the right place, and that’s worthy of high respect.
Yo Albanian, who told you the lie that you are Independent? Was it Bushi? I also thank God that dogs don’t have to live next you.
So the RealMacedonian is actually a Bulgarian agent that revealed his identity through an amateurish, Freudian slip. Is that what you are trying to say George?
Probably he is another poorly trainned German agent. You do know Bulgaria has a German for their king. Soon Croatia and Albania will have a German king too. But that’s only if Germany don’t poke the bear in the wrong spot. You know what I mean? Looks like many things around here, wil soon depend on what kind of mood is mama bear going to be in. Don’t you think?
Yeah Mama!!!
Kosovo is mine!!!
Where are all the Greeks? How come they are not posting? It’s their deal.
Thank you Peacemaker.
Its “ancient Greece” none of the slav’s or the mixes of recent Greece, both of them should stop being like female dogs on heat. None of them deserve the recognition of the star, the Greeks simply live there.
You are welcome George, keep up the Good the fight.
I’m sorry…didn’t two Greeks by the name of Cyril and Methodius bring the Slavs there alphabet? What’s with all the bashing anyway?
The Greeks have a very jaundist view of their history. 2,000 years ago, what we call Greece today was a tiny area in the south known as Achia. Macedonia was a free, seperate country in the North. Through invasion, war and the Greek Orthodox church, Greece has spread its tentacles throughout the whole of the southern Balkans.
The pandering to these people by the world in refusing to allow Macedonia today to be called that is a disgrace.
As for the Star of Vergina? It looks great.
FYROM and all countries supporting Skopje and its propaganda are commiting the largest cultural and historical genocide since WW2. Ancient Macedonia, Star of Vergina, Phillip and Alexander, Pella, all these are purely Greek. Truly educated people know that Slavs were not decendants of the Ancient Greek state of Macedonia. Get real FYROMians, your pseudohistory and pseudonatinoality will be over with soon. Its only a matter of time until the whole world figures you out. Remember also, new US administration… hehe
I am Alexander the Great’s great(x100) grandson Alexander. I am Greek. I live in Macedonia in Greece, the only Macedonia. Slavs were not even around when my great(x100) grandfather conquered the world and spread our Hellenic culture. Macedonia is Greece!
Why don’t you Greasy bullies lay of these nice people. They have enough problems as it is. Bulgarians , Albanians, the economy, not to mention the western vampires trying to suck their blood every day. Go pick on the Turks, or are you maybe afraid that the Turks might open you a new ayes hole.
If I were a Macedonian, the only thing I would give you, is a megalo vilo to poke your eyes out with!
To all the Slavs living in that abhorrent artificial construct named FYROM, i ask of you, if you are indeed the descendants of the ancient Macedonians, why can’t you translate any of the insriptions on their graves? Why can’t you translate any of the inscriptions on Phillip’s mausoleum?
I am a Thessalian, and i can read and understand every single one of them. Can you claim the same?
A Greek and a Roman were walking down the street together. The Greek keeps on blabbing about how they invented everything. We invented the wheel, the cheese, the yogurt, the baklava and we even invented SEX..
The roman replies” True you invented sex but we introduced it to women”
And that, une, offers nothing to the discussion.
no but a great joke..
Une.., you can kill your time- just reading, better! There’s million jokes about great- whatever.. (http://www.jokes.com)
Greeks should boycott Visa to hit hard- right now. There’s nothing funny in imperial “joke” with somebodies national symbols or history in the name of miserable interests! There’s 5 (five) higher profile Visa customers in Greece worth more than whole Visa profit can be made in FYROM or it’s citizens abroad in next 50 years, at least! Second, this is somebodies big problem right now. This property belongs to agreement details between Bank/Visa and Card owner and it’s not legal at all, in no one country. Greek government should intervene, also.
Answer to George: They can translate “Old” Bulgarian only!
ZHTW H ELLADA!! GAMISTE THN VISA, GAMISTE TA KOLOPEDA!! GAMISTE TOYS IMPERIALISTES! PARTE TOUS LEUTA!
My congratulation for Sarplaninac- comment!! However written it’s the fair replica of reality itself, bravo!
Denko Maleski, politician of the FYROM:
“The creation of the ‘Macedonian nation’, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition of single-party dictatorship. In those times, there was no difference between science and ideology, so the ‘Macedonian historiography’, unopposed by anybody, comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the ‘Macedonian identity’ was created….”
(Utrinski Vesnik, FYROMian newspaper, October 16, 2006)
Ljubica Acevska, diplomat of the FYROM:
“We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great… Greece is Macedonias second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz [...] We are Slavs and we speak a Slav language.”
(On 22 January 1999, in a speech on the present situation
Kiro Gligorov, first president of the FYROM:
“We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century … we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.”
(Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35)
“We are Slav Macedonians. That’s who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century AD.”
FYROMs are delusional. Everyone knows that their language is a mixture of Slavic languages. A bit of this and a bit of that language.
One thing is for sure, they have no resemblance to ancient Macedonian at all.
How come? If they are truly Macedonian shouldn’t their language reflect that?
Serbs and Bulgarians can understand them very well so doesn’t this tell them where their past lies?
Looks like they have similarities to Albanians on this issue. Albanians want to claim to be something they are not as well. No wonder they get along so great.
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Geek men have small toys!
By Makedonsko Devojce on Dec 13, 2008
And you know this HOW? Are you a Macedonian w…e? How many Greeks have you examined closely?
How long will the Salvs of FYROM believe in a lie? At some point, there will be a national awakening in FYROM, and I am quite confident, that there history will start at about 600 to 700 AD – not 300 B.C. Pretty basic stuff unless your blinded with extreme nationalism and low self esteem.
alvis please do not blame me for wrone speling i was edukatet in GREECE
From my research on Wikipedia (not the undeniable voice of God, I know), it sounds like Macedonia (as defined today) has been receiving a large “diaspora” of Slavic peoples for some time now (6th century A.D.). It seems Greece could not defend it during the Cold War from foreign influence or inhabitation and so it has become a Greco-Slavic territory.
The name “Macedonia” belongs to Greece, since Alexander and Phillip unified the Greek Empire in the 300s B.C. They, being Greeks, speaking the languange, and formally accepted by the Greek city-states of the time, can therefore be claimed by the current Greek peoples. Unfortunately, they didn’t write a constitution or magna carta or whatever to make it official and clearly define national boundaries.
Since the northern region is now predominantly inhabited by Slavs, genetically, culturally, religiously, what-have-you-ly, let them call it by its Slavic name: Vardarska. In a sign of good faith, however, the southern Greek-inhabited region should be ceded to Greece with the name Macedonia to honor its people and history as Greek.
This won’t happen though, so the current combination name of Macedonska seems to be the only inevitable course of compromise. That way, both cultures can claim a stake in its name, and none get marginalized… that is unless the Skopjean government continues to brainwash Slavic children with revisionist history. I’m just glad both sides are predominantly the same religion and this hasn’t turned into a one of those kind of conflicts.
And for the record, I’m 25% Greek (Pelopponesian), 37.5% Irish, 37.5% German, and 100% all American.
We Slavs are strong. We aim to CRUSH Greece and take all the women back to the north with us. We will destroy your temples and markets with our strong fists and minds. MattyG will be sacrificed to the pagan gods of the Slavic faith! His blood shall run into the streets and into the sea! We shall sail though a sea of Greek blood until victory! We shall overcome!
And for the record, I’m 25% Scottish, 25% English, 25% German, 25% Dutch, and 100% Slavic dog!