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Kosovo churches “protected” by their destroyers
Kosovo police made up of ethnic Albanians some who took part in ethnic cleansing of Serbs and destruction of churches have been given a duty to “protect” Serbian churches through out Kosovo.
“This is a big assignment for us, given we are already 185 officers short, and now 40 of our colleagues are engaged in policing Serbian Orthodox Church buildings,” said Lumni Greshta, an ethnic Albanian policeman in Prizren.
The ethnic Albanian separatist Kosovo police in the city of Prizren unilaterally took up the task seeking to implement an invalid so-called the Ahtasaari?s plan written by a hired Finnish diplomat that has no international endorsement either at the UN or with the EU.
Prizren has 7 Serbian churches but many are abandoned because the ethnic Serb believers fear they will be killed if they venture into the town.
“In Kosovo there are 44 buildings which need to be protected. We have seven controls and 40 police officers in eight hour shifts who will be engaged in this assignment 24 hours a day,” says Lumni Greshta.
Bishop Artemije blames EULEX for allowing the non binding Ahtasaari plan to be implemented.
“Without our knowledge, permission or agreement, it isn’t possible to do something like this. No one asked us or consulted us about that, even informally. Therefore, our government representatives need to raise the question of whether EULEX?s stay in Kosovo is legitimate,” said Artemije.
Artemije added that those who have been destroying the churches in Kosovo have now been assigned to watch them.
“We know that in the Kosovo police these are formed KLA that have committed atrocities and destroyed over 150 churches in the last 10 years,” said Artemije.
Bishop Artemije said that with each new day the situation of Christian Serbs is getting worse in Kosovo and that Kosovo Serbs do not accept such decision.
“This is like asking the former Nazi camp soldiers to protect the Jews. It is unbelievable what Serbs are forced to live under,” told us the source who described the situation.
March 5, 2009
SERBIANNA
This is very sad.
Like giving a child to a pedofile for care, crazy, crazy, crazy
This is very sad.
Like giving a child to a pedofile for care, crazy, crazy, crazy
By Veljkovic on Mar 5, 2009
You are right. And these shiptars probably are pedophiles !
The Headline should say, Pedophiles guard churches !
Kosovo is Serbia
@ Serbianna
Would it hurt you guys to try and be objective and just report facts instead of having to twist everything in a subjective way?
Would it hurt you guys to try and be objective and just report facts instead of having to twist everything in a subjective way?
By Ian, UK on Mar 5, 2009
Ian why don’t you tell the truth and give us your real name, and not hide behind Ian UK?
Why visit this site if it’s not objective?
Verangian my friend, aint they all?
If Ian UK is who I think he is, then his name is Ian and he’s from the UK. I’ve met him.
And you are Dan from UK, give me a break, your all Albo’s in disguize.
Most of the people in the UK don’t give a dam about Kosovo, and the ones that do, are with us, they are the smart people that can think for themselves and know the truth.
Verangian is from the UK.
holocaust against CHRISTians.I wish the world could see what these anamalians do to holy churches inkosovo
doug,
they do see it, and don’t care, we are the last frontiers of the Christianity, we were the first to fight the evil and still fighting it.
The EU en NATO pro-islam goverment wants to break us, because we cannot be bought, or convert.
Veljkovic, you’re right that most people in the UK don’t give a damn about Kosovo. But you’re wrong to say that of those who do, they favour Serbia.
Personally, I’m neutral. I’m interested in what’s happening, but I’m neither Albanian nor Serb, nor am I a Moslem or a Christian. To me, it really doesn’t matter one bit whether Kosovo is Serb, Albanian, Brazilian, whatever.
Like I said, I’m just interested in this sort of thing.
It,s like putting DRACULA in charge of a blood bank.
Like I said, I?m just interested in this sort of thing.
By Dan UK on Mar 5, 2009
What sort of thing Dan?
dony
ubices me breeee od smeha
Dony indeed and then some…
thief in charge of a treasure; whore in charge of chastity and an Imam in charge of salvation
After destroying 200 monasteries what will they protect the stone rubles, just imagine how much they will pay to Serbian Orthodox Church for every monastery destroyed.
And you ask yourself can’t all the Serb race be retards??
Dulo your just another brainwashed little albanian, now go back to Italy with your women
They aren’t churches, just propaganda centers. Your ‘church’ was the instigator behind the 1990 wars.
“we are the last frontiers of the Christianity, we were the first to fight the evil and still fighting it.”
No offense but you surrendered in 1389 and pimped Lazar’s daughter to the Turks. After that you helped the Turks beat the Hungarians, the Albanians and the Wallachians. Cowards. At least don’t brag
Bob don’t tell them this story. They’ve learned how to be blinded by hate and not understanding.
little bob you seem to amuse me every time, are you obsessed with pimping does your father pimp your mother or sister typical albanian
For a pom, Ian from UK sure writes on every site. Now c’mon, even blind Freddy can see he is not a pom. He is an Albanian.
Dan from UK what do you say about that? Why would any pom go on every site and comment about Kosovo?
Bob,
you are a fool, you leave Car Lazar uit of it, let’s talk about Thaci and the organ harvesting, or weapons, drug human smuggling, we can talk about those things what are closer to us, and we see every day happening.
Destroying our churches only makes our faith even bigger, so you didn’t succeed!
Bob says that we fought with he turks against the Kosovo Albanians, please find me a link or some evidence of this?
You are even more stupid than I thought you were.
Stay with the topic, or move on, with your Bull-S***t stories and stopt repeating yourself.
Albanians will throw all sorts of lies here hoping someone will fall for them.
That’s all they have, lies. They cannot fight with anything else.
History is being rewritten by them. I can’t believe that there are people in this world who lie as much as Albanians do.
What sort of thing Dan?
By Veljkovic on Mar 5, 2009
@Veljkovic – geopolitics, international relations, etc.
For a pom, Ian from UK sure writes on every site. Now c?mon, even blind Freddy can see he is not a pom. He is an Albanian.
Dan from UK what do you say about that? Why would any pom go on every site and comment about Kosovo?
By Peggy on Mar 6, 2009
@Peggy – I can assure you that Ian is entirely English – I’ve met him. I think he’s interested because he has Albanian or Kosovar friends.
Dan than you should beware of the fact that Kosovo is Serbian by now.
For a pom, Ian from UK sure writes on every site. Now c?mon, even blind Freddy can see he is not a pom. He is an Albanian.
Dan from UK what do you say about that? Why would any pom go on every site and comment about Kosovo?
By Peggy on Mar 6, 2009
Peggy, Ian is 100 per cent English – I’ve met him. I think he has Albanian friends though.
Dan ,
do you?
Becareful if you do, because they sell organs.
No, I’ve never knowingly met an Albanian.
Organ selling? Is that so. You are so narrow minded. Don’t tar all Albanians with the same brush.
Dan
I’m not narrow minded, real Carla Ponte’s book, she not a Serbian, she’s Italian.
Read; Kosovo Experiment, a Fatal Blow to World Order by Hannes Hofbauer he’s Austrian…..
Look wat they have done to our churches that are under international protection http://www.chwb.org/kosovo/english/newschurches.htm
Please let me know!
Then you can call me narrow minded!
No, I?ve never knowingly met an Albanian.
Dan UK
Dan you would know it that’s for sure ha ha
Dan you would know it that?s for sure ha ha
By Veljkovic on Mar 6, 2009
What do you mean?
Dan has an albanian wife , lets just hope she is clean of aids
“Bob says that we fought with he turks against the Kosovo Albanians, please find me a link or some evidence of this?”
See the Second Kosovo battle or the battle of Nicopolis to start. Google them. You Turk lovers. Servs even sent 1500 troops to help the Turks take Constatinople
Bob,
your knowledge of history is directly connected to google, wow, we need no education or universities no more, we can just google it anf find answers.
If you google Serbia then you can read that Kosovo is a ancient oud part of it.
Dan,
I mean, that when you meet one, that will stay in your memory, very “nice’ paople they are.
We gave them shelter when they were fleeding Enver Hodza, gave them a autonoom provincie, so they can follow education in their mother language, made big contributions to build up economy and cities.
We even werked many saterdays and gave that money along with extra taxes to help them.
And then, when they outnummberd us (because they have 10 children per family) they stole our country.
That’s the kind of people they are.
Dan has an albanian wife , lets just hope she is clean of aids
By Rambo on Mar 6, 2009
That’s a clever, mature comment. “Rambo”, your fellow Serbs must be so proud of the way you have conducted yourself. What a good example to show to the rest of the world.
@ Veljkovic
Have you got facebook? Please add me and I will generally prove to you that I am not Albanian and in fact a genuine Brit of Scottish and Scandinavian decent. Not a drop of Albanian blood in me. Please add my facebook account and we can have debates one-to-one. I like talking to the opposite camps. My profile below.
http://www.facebook.com/privacy/?ref=mb#/profile.php?sid=5fe71901abe87000a4a38267c10ebb8e&id=564116757&hiq=ian%2Cjames%2Canderson
Also Peggy, will you please add me on Facebook too. I’d love to have a chat with you as well. Trust me I’m no Albanian. I do think it is funny that Serbs think you have to be Albanian to support Kosovo. I’m not Albanian and I support Kosovo.
Peggy add me on facebook too if you have it. I’m not Albanian. I’m a Yorkshire lad love.
ATTENTION ALL SERBS
you do not have to be Albanian to support Kosovo. I am British and I support Kosovo. Not only that, I know other Brits who support Kosovo. Shocking isn’t it? LOL
You should support it Ian… it is the drug hub that supplies your habits. all products Serbia can not offer.
I should support what Vuk?
I only smoke home-grown green, especially with with the credit crunch I try to “Buy British”. The drugs Kosovo have are not my style.
Also even if Kosovo didn’t exist, hard drugs would still easily find their way in to the UK via other countries and through other means.
Ian, you are right there is ONE other Brit who supports your beloved “Kosova”; your best mate Phoney Tony Blair. Everyone in Britain knows him now to be a proven liar just like you.
No true Yorkshireman would try to write the way he speaks on a site like this so keep fooling yourself because you don’t fool anyone else.
Kosovo is Serbia
Mark, UK and a true Yorkshireman!
Ian, UK
what do you exatly support man? I’m just curious, don’t have to answer if you don’t want to.
@Veljkovic
- I support the Rep of Kosovo as an independent soverign country.
- I support EULEX, but not the 6 point Plan.
- I support the EU, but not the USA.
- I support Serbia’s EU path without Kosovo.
- I support Europeanisation of the Balkans.
- I don’t support NATO.
- For Mark (the true Yorkshireman), I don’t support Blair, Brown, Labour or the Torries FYI.
you are good for 2 out of 7. This means 70% of your support is all wrong.
@ Vuk
Thats just your opinion and your opinion doesn’t mean much to me, just like my opinion doesn’t mean much to you. I believe that 100% of my support if right. Out of curiosity, which two things did you agree with me on?
- Also I forgot to add that I’m pro Russia on most things, but not all.
Ian, surprised you didn’t mention supporting the formation of an independent sovereign country in what is now Leicester, UK; the first UK city to have a majority ethnic population!
Kosovo is Serbia
Mark, UK
@ Mark
Kosovo is a special unique situation. It was a de facto separate entity/ region/ territory from FRYugoslavia/ Serb&Mont/ Serbia for 9 years (UN colony) before it declared independence. Also the majority of the people in Kosovo want independence unlike Leicester. Also Kosovo was given the green light by many countries to declare independence from Serbia. Also like the UK lost the right to govern Ireland after how badly the UK treated the Irish, Serbia has lost the right to govern Kosovo after how bad they treated the Kosovans.(Ironically, the UK and Serbia have both kept the north of their former possessions.) No if you can, please apply Kosovo’s situation to any other independence situation in the world?
You probably can’t because Kosovo is a unique Sui generis cases.
Also Serbs keep saying Kosovo is Serbia and it always has been. Funny how they forget that Kosovo was not part of the Principality of Serbia and it was not part of Serbia during WW2 and it is today no longer part of Serbia.
Also if Kosovo set a precedent, how come no other regions in the world have unilaterally declared independence?
Ian,
how can you support EU and not USA when the EU is a invention of the USA, so contradictious man.
If it wasn’t for the USA there would have never been a EU, they invented the EU just to control Europe, and have us all in one cage, don’t you get it man?
You support Kosovo’s indenpendence but yet not the NATO?Without the NATO they would have never been any where near independence.Without NATO they can’t exist.
You support the Europeansation of the Balkans? Wow The Balkans are Europe, what do you mean?
Do you support the Islamisation of Europe alsao?
Ian why not support Serbia as one of the oldest contries in Eurpoe and Kosovo as a ancient part of it?
Do you know something about our history?
Do you know what we have been going through for ages?
Would you give a part of your country away just because they breed in the proportians that the Albanians did in Kosovo? That’s the only thin they have on us, that there are more Alnbanians then Serbs, well that’s not so difficult if they have 10 children, they have the biggest and fastest growing population in the world man.
is that the reason why we should give our country to them? Reward them for having children?
The have nothing on us, besides the population matter.
I’ve heard you have Albanian friends, watch out,they will use you and at the end stabb you in the back just like they did to us.
I don,t know where Ian is but it sounds like that green he has been smoking has mashed up his brain.
- Also I forgot to add that I?m pro Russia on most things, but not all.
By Ian, UK on Mar 6, 2009
You make no sense man, read your own post.
You support causes that are contradictory, maybe that green is not so good after all?
I dislike the US politically, one of the few things which I support the US on is Kosovo and the same applies to NATO, Kosovo is one of the only good things to come out of NATO.
It is a bit of sweeping statement saying the EU is a US invention. Also remember the US doesn’t like the EU that much. The reason I dislike NATO is because it is the US’s way of dragging Europe into American affairs and I dislike the US. I oppose the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, both countries are now f**ked up because of the US and NATO. I support defense for Europe without the US. Also Obama is overrated and I bet he will be a disappointment for Americans.
And by “Europeansation of the Balkans”, I mean EU membership for all Balkan nations.
And I don’t “support the Islamisation of Europe” because I do not support organised religion.
And when I said “I?m pro Russia on most things, but not all”, the “but not all” part was referring to Kosovo mainly, and I know Russia is but not best of friends with the EU, but economically they both need each other. Apart from that I support Russia and I like the way Russia opposes the US and NATO. Also I respect Russia’s ties with China and other parts of Asia. Also I respect Russia growing economy (economic crisis is not good for Russia, but neither is it for the rest of the world).
Serbs have to protect their own churches,and if anyone is stupid enough to get in the way that is their problem.
Ian,
Is hard to pull them of the cave lol. They are still on the same page with the guy looking at the shadows.
Serbs should protect their own churches and to hell with anyone who is stupid enough to get in the way.
Ian you are a liar just admitted to supporting everything that has to do with islam, or you are stoned and don’t have a clue what’s right and what’s wrong.
You support something or don’t, you only proove that you are Albanian/moslim or have Albanian friends, none of your comments make sense.
You are with or against.
You make no sense really!
Spurs,
common man, a lot of your fellowmen still live in caves man, so don’t go there.
Ian
The EU and the USA are the same, can’t you see that?
If not then you are really blind.
my comments are not going through…
Veljko,
Every criminal should be punished. Every Albanian who is proven guilty before court of law of crimes against civilians should be punished. However, not once none of you ever said that YES there is us to blame too.
You know, we know, the world knows that Serbs DID commit crimes against humanity and war crimes, and Genocide is disputable since Milosevic didnt wait for the end of his trial.
If the same people talking here (that seems to argue forever and leading to no good whatsoever) sit in a table and think of improving things, trust me things will start to change.
There are solutions to problems…
Veljko,
Every criminal who killed innocent people should be punished. If the Alb. guy did commit the crimes he should be prosecuted max sentence.
Can you once say that YES we have committed crimes and are responsible for many killings?
Cmon u have to admit in order to go forward
Hey Ian,
I get where you’re coming from with your views. However since you don’t support NATO I’m suprised you’re so pro kosovo. It’s independance is totally being promoted by the US NATO so they can keep another military presance on EU soil. It’s existance is a slap in the face to the UN charter and to any nation feeling that their soverignity is safe.
I’m not SER, I’m American and while I disagree with my government on most everything I still take offense to you telling me how much you hate us. I know we’re a different conutry now than the one that bailed out europe in the 40’s, and a different one than the patsy that the UK and France got to be the bully on every peace keeping mission the UN took on for 15 years but seriously if it wasn’t for us the Englih would speak German as a first language. Sorry to be an ugly american in this but try to remember the good we’ve done as well. Also the good the Serbs did as an ally in the past while the a.lbanians had their heads up uncle adolfs rear.
Well Ian, I don’t subscribe to Facebook etc. but even if I did I would not add you to it.
You keep saying that you are 100% English but for some strange reason so you so pro Albanian or is it just pro Muslim.
Every Muslim convert is more radical that they one born into it. We all know that. We have some here is Australia, like Jihad Jack and David Hicks. David Hicks was caught by the US in Afghanistan fighting for the Taliban. Jihad Jack was charged with terrorist activities here. Both converts. When are you strapping your explosive belt to you?
You go to every site you can and promote Albanians. This is not the work of someone who doesn’t have emotional investment in this situation.
So, again, you are not fooling anyone. If not Albanian then go back to the church you fool and stop hanging around Albanians so much. Explore other options and make other friends. Islam will only destroy your soul.
Jason you are right about the Albanians being Nazis just like Bosnian Muslims and Croatians, but you are wrong about America saving Europe.
America dropped a bomb on Japan not Germany. This stopped Japan only. It was Russia who liberated the Jews from Auschwitz while your planes just flew over like others.
It was Russia who lost 20M people liberating Europe by finally defeating Hitler.
America helped but certainly did not end the war in Europe only in the Pacific.
I am a Brit and support Serbian Kosovo every Albanian in UK tries to take the easy way by crime it will not happen!!!
JimUK
UK is with Serbia
Only Brits who support Albanians are the one who are doing their dirty work in our homeland!!!
Cheers
@ Spurs
LOL, anyway unlucky about MAN U and penalties last week.
@ Veljkovic
If the US and EU was the same, how come 5 states have not recongised Kosovo and a few were not happy recognising Kosovo. Also I don’t support Kosovo becuase Kosovans are Muslim. Kosovans are not “real Muslims”, they barely/ loosely follow Islam, they have sex, take drugs and drink ect, they break the rules of Islam all the time. Serbs know this too, they only call Albanians/ Kosovans Muslims when they say that they are “Muslim Terrorists”. But then Serbs tell Muslim countries not recognise Kosovo becuase Albanians/ Kosovans are not real Muslims. So Serbs only call Albanians/ Kosovans Muslim when it suits them.
@ Jason
I don’t dislike Americans, I dislike the US. Big difference. Also I’m not proud of everything the UK govt does.
Sorry to tell you this mate but your WW2 history is rubbish, you must have learned it from Hollywood.
I have done much work studying WW2, especially the significance of the US and USSR. You say that the US bailed us out. The US gave the UK a big loan in world war two. We spent a lot of that loan on buying ships and guns ect from the US (so the US is getting money back indirectly), these ships and guns from world war one and were rusty, old and s**t. We had so many s**t useless rifles we didn’t know what to so with them, so we gave them to the British Home Guard (made up of old men and disabled men). In 2008 we finally paid back that loan in which the US gave us. So basically your loan in which you “bailed us out” with was quite pathetic becuase you slapped the us in the face with your rusty second hand military toys dating back to WW1.
You claim that if it wasn’t for the US, the UK would be a German speaking country. Let me tell you that is a load of Bull S**t. If it wasn’t for the USSR/ Russia the UK would be a German Speaking country. The UK had won the Battle of Britain (which Germany needed to win to initiate Operation Seal Lion/ the Invasion of Britain) over a year before the US joined WW2. You do realise that 9/10 Axis troops died on the eastern/ Russian front. Single battles were tree times larger than the western front. More troops were deployed and died in single battles than the entire Western Front.
Please look up the Battles of Moscow, Stalingrad, Leningrad, Kursk, Berlin ect for more info. The Balkans and North Africa were important theatres of war compared to the Western Front.
The USA lost 416,800 troops in world war two compared to 10,700,000 Soviet troops. Yugoslavia lost more troops (446,000) than the US. The UK lost 382,700 troops, which is less than that of the US, but your population was and is much lager.
So “all this good” the US did, did they really kill 5,533,000 Germans by themselves? No, they didn’t do much really in Europe. I will give the US credit for their work in the Pacific, but many British Empire/ Commonwealth and Chinese troops have been forgotten for their role in the Pacific too. China lost 3,800,000 troops in WW2 btw.
Then the US tries to take credit for all what was done in WW2 by witting stupid biased books and making silly biased films, which make the US appear to be the Hero for Europe/ the World when they weren’t.
The US makes up around 0.32% of the total deaths of WW2, remember that figure next time you want to tell someone “all the good the US did” in WW2 and that the UK would be a German speaking nation if it wasn’t for the US.
Any back to Kosovo, i’ve already said that one of the few things that I support the US and NATO on is Kosovo.
Ian, ?Kosova? is a special situation eh! A bully can create a special situation in any instance but only when it suits him. The Krajina (Serb populated part of what is now Croatia) was a ?special unique situation? and the ?majority? wanted independence but what happened to them? Ethnically cleansed by the Ustashe Fascists in Croatia with the support by Nato!
You say a green light by ?many? countries? Get your facts right, no country wants to support an illegal state which is what is in the Balkans today. Only the spineless give in to the bully?s but only until the wind blows in a different direction and then things change very dramatically, ref: Nato Pulling Out of Kosovo!
Your position on Ireland confirms that you are not from the UK but are pretending to be from the UK.
You know the majority of people in Britain are good people who in any normal situation would back Serbia but control over the media brain washes people and turns them the other way.
I?m afraid your ignorance is evident in your last comment. If you accept what you are preaching then you cannot have a problem with Leicester?s ?unilateral? declaration of independence from the UK in the next ten years or so? Where do we go from there in terms of international law?
Kosovo is Serbia
Mark, UK.
Kosovo was a just war,
For the first time the European allies agreed with US to go in and stop the bllodshed. This is one BIG truth and nor UK nor US ever said was wrong in going to Kosovo.
Actually Kosovo was also used as a good example in the world to show the rest that US and UK is not anti-Muslim as they fought a christian nation to liberate Muslims.
So yes that is true to a certain degree, but kosovo again is Secular State and we are NOT religious.
@ Peggy
I’m an Atheist love (raised as a C of E Protestant), but I oppose all organised religion. I have not time for religion. Also I have never claimed to be 100% English, my father is Scottish, I have only claimed to be British. You keep accusing me of been Albanian/ Muslim, using your logic you must be a Serb or a Bosnian Serb.
Ian,
Why do you have to explain urself if ur Muslim or not. I am an atheist too, but being Muslim doesnt mean ur a bad person. each religion is a fiction same like readin Serbianna.
So supporting kosova is right and u did give ur arguments that are supported by the most powerful countries in the world
“I am a Brit and support Serbian Kosovo every Albanian in UK tries to take the easy way by crime it will not happen!!!
JimUK
UK is with Serbia”
By UK on Mar 6, 2009
I think you will find that the UK is not with Serbia as Miliband is dotting the globe lobbying for Kosovo. Also Brits who are with Serbia are fascists.
Veljkovic,
The EU is not the same as the US because 5 EU states have not recognised Kosovo and others were not happy about recognising Kosovo. Also other EU states saw sense in not joining the US’s NATO.
You know Kosovans and Albanians are not real muslim, Serbs only call them muslim when you want to insult them “Muslim Terrorists”. Then you are hypocrites because you tell Muslim countries not to recognise Kosovo because Kosovans/ Albanian are not real Muslims. Remember Albania was the first offical Atheist state.
Veljkovic,
The EU is not the same as the US because 5 EU states have not recognised Kosovo and others were not happy about recognising Kosovo. Also other EU states saw sense in not joining the US’s NATO.
But dont forget Veljko that even those 5 states that didnt recognize Kosovo as yet, played a major part in bringing down Milosevic regime, which is to say were part of the coallition forces that bombed Serbia.
Oh Ian UK, I am actually princess Diana reincarnated.
I just wonder where you get your truth from. Is it CNN?
Just a matter of curiosity here. Have you ever read anything on Kosovo by John Pilger or Noam Chomsky? How about someone who was actually in Bosnia at the time of war like General Lewis MacKnezie? What about Scott Taylor or Gregory Clark (former Australian ambassador now a president of the Akita University in Japan)? If you have heard these people speak or have read something written by them do you say they are just horrible liars out to destroy decent Albanians?
Just wondering.
I know, you prefer to listen to your Albanian pals or some UK government propaganda. Do you actually believe everything your corrupt politicians are telling you or you choose what you want to believe?
For a Brit who says he is impartial you sure don’t read or listen to anyone who disagrees with the view you already have.
Strange for a Brit who wants to get to the truth.
Ian UK, who attacked Fort Dix?
If this is not an act of terrorism then what is?
Who burned all the churches in Kosovo? Is this not an act of terrorism? Who built all the Wahhabi mosques in Kosovo? Surely you can’t think it was the Serbs?
One last question. Was KLA classified as a terrorist organization bye the CIA before 1999 and who are the KLA if not your nice peace loving Albanians?
Please do answer these question. If you can.
Tottenham, wrong. They were not part of the forces who bombed Serbia. Greece refused their country to be used as a launching pad for the aircraft. Italy did but that’s not a surprise.
So do tell us how did these countries play a part in the bombing? Whose planes flew? I am sure they were not Greek.
Hey Ian UK, how do you feel when you see the destroyed churches? Do you think that it was deserved?
Also why do you refuse to believe about organ trafficking but totally believe that only the Serbs committed crimes?
Is this not just a bit naive of you to think that during any war only one side kills and the other is purely a victim?
While we are at it, how come Forensics did not find any evidence of this mass murder Albanians are crying about all the time and knowing now that “Racak massacre” was staged you are still totally believing everything that comes out of their mouth. Don’t say that Racak was a massacre as we do know now that it was staged. If you say it was not, then you are calling General MacKenzie who is in a better position than you to know the truth a liar and also Scott Taylor who was there.
Now here you are defending Albanians so much but totally ignoring all the credible people telling us otherwise.
I think for you to be so convinced of all that Albanians tell you is very strange for someone who has no vested interest in one side or other.
Ian UK is full of crap a very good comedian and nothing more how much do Assbanians pay you for this propaganda, i know many of your Brits that support Serbia
Kosovo is SERBIA !
Ian UK how much do albanians pay for your little propaganda writings? fool
Stop killing your time on Serb websites this is the only small portion of Serbs, until we are on this world we will fight Albanians forever over Kosovo forever till death never forget what i said. When someone shots you in the heart and you survive payback comes for the killer. Kosovo is Heart of Serbia! An Albanian is the killer of that heart!
Albanian thieves stealing organs,watches,women,and now countries. Never trust an Albanian they are thieves!
“Albanian thieves stealing organs,watches,women,and now countries. Never trust an Albanian they are thieves!”
By 007 on Mar 7, 2009
Nice racist comment, then again I wouldn’t expect anything else from a Serb. We all know that they are racist nationalist fascists, starting wars, murdering, raping, genocide, oppressing minorities, dreams of a greater Serbia.
Then Serbia wonders why Croatia, Slovenia, BiH, Macedonia, Montenegro and Kosovo don’t want to be part of the same country as Serbia. But then again do you blame them?
@ 077,
Obviously because I’m not Albanian or Kosovan and I am supporting Kosovo; the only explanation for this is money. You’re the fool for been so close-minded. I have many legitimate reasons for supporting Kosovo as a Brit and not as an Albanian/ Kosovan, it is possible you know for someone to genuinely support Kosovo an not be Albanian/ Kosovan. Amazing isn’t it. Some Serbs actually support Kosovo as independent from Serbia. Magic isn’t. Not all Serbs are under this illusion of dreams for a Greater Serbia.
Ian UK now I know your an Albanian on the comments you just made I wanted to get you to state something like that , if I were you i would also lie who I am no one would want to be an Albanian.
All does countries you stated are recognized by the UN expect your dream land country of Kosovo which is Serbia. Albanians started the war in Yugoslavia even during 1995 Operation Storm in Croatia they were responsible. When Serb police came to crack down on kla they used your people as shields while kla ran of the Western Europe and left you with stones to fight.
What is the difference between my “racist comment” and yours?Except that mine is true and yours is an illusion. uk fool
Ian supports Serbia into EU without Kosovo ? How can that be? There is no Serbia without Kosovo just like there is no UK without York,Leeds, and Nottingham. I have singly read each of your posts and so far found no evidence of anything you have mentioned. Except stating that Serbs refer to ‘Kosovans’ as terrorists because they are Muslims? Wasn’t the kla on the terrorist list for over 16 years? And what happened at Fort Dix? Just so you know Ian I am not Serb but support Serbian Kosovo , surprise isn’t it ?
please click on my name and view my facebook, that should prove that I’m no Albanian
Ian UK why so much hatred for the Serbs then?
What have the Serbs done to you. If anything Serbs were British allies and now they have been betrayed by them.
I know you love this whole betrayal thing, because you are obviously from Croatian, Bosnian Muslim or Albanian stock.
You have no reason to hate the Serbs as much as you obviously do. You cannot be THAT stupid to believe all the propaganda against the Serbs when you obviously haven’t checked out other credible people who write and talk about how Serbs were demonized unjustly.
Why don’t you at least listen to those credible people before you mouth off? Simple, you are of the same Nazi stock as I just mentioned.
Stop lying. No impartial person would condemn the Serbs so much without investigating properly. You only have ears for one side. Gee, I wonder why.
Your the fool; you think I’m Albanian.
Also you believe that my comment is about illusions?
So you really believe that the 8,000 Bosniaks didn’t die in the Srebrenica Genocide after all? and that it was just an illusion?
Also you believe that Serbia isn’t nationalist? The only country that I can think of that has a political party called the “Radical Party” is Serbia, how nationalist can you get? Thats Ultra-nationalism. But then again, that party is an illusion according to you.
Ian,
it’s clear to me, you have no idee what is happening in the world or in Europe. Everything you say is justifing the Albanians ans yes they are moslims, don’t let them trick you wuth drinking and having sex, because they are bad moslims just as they are bad people.If they arn’t moslim why do they take money from islam radicals and Saudis?That’s how they are, they will use everybody and everything and them stabb you in the back.
Leave politics now aside and just dig in books and history developments in the last 100 years and see where it brings you.I’m not even going 7 or 8 centuries back, just the last 100 years.Just look at the statistics.
Statistics don’t lie.
Kosovo is a ancient part of Serbia and we will never let it go.
If Kosovo is not returned then there will never be peace there.
You say we are nationalists, off course we are, nothing wrong with that, we have to be, because we can only depend on ourselves and our religion. Ou positions on the Balkans is very difficult, it’s a kross road of 3 religions and we had to defend ours. But since you are a ateist you don’t understand.
I’m glad that there are people that really see through the MIND-CONTROLLED politics of this world and have just old fashion morals and dignity.
If you have a drop of Scotish blood then watch Braveheart it can be the story of Serbs in Kosovo.
Read Srebrenica ID by Milivoj Ivanisevic
read how the war really started, this is the interview with former Croatien minister Josip Boljkovac
http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=4869
If you really want the truth!
Ian (UK/Albanian)
007 is right, your choice of words show that you are NOT from the UK but who cares you are only fooling yourself.
Why wasn?t the Serb Krajina a so called ?special case??
Do you have a problem with Leicester?s ?unilateral? declaration of independence in the next ten years or so?
Do you believe in international law?
You mention Srebrenica. This town was part of a civil war between three sides; a war initiated by Izetbegovic?s Muslims. You only seem to refer to deaths on the Muslim side but you know there were deaths on the Serb side and the Croat side elsewhere. Why else would Serbia be taking the Dutch (peacekeepers) to court for not protecting their women and children from the butchery of Oric and his cronies before the town was overrun? Yes, the Muslims in Srebrenica were launching attacks on the surrounding Serb villages, massacring women and children and then returning to the protection of their ?UN safe haven?. Numbers of deaths in Srebrenica are unconfirmed and always exaggerated. No doubt there were bad things done after the town was taken, for which I don?t condone, but bad things were done by all sides throughout the war but only those from one side are reported. The question I ask is how you include armed Muslim ?enemy combatants? who broke out of Srebrenica heading for the Muslim town of Zenica in the figures for deaths?
If genocide was committed by one side in Bosnia then the evidence is there, if you look for it, to say it was committed by all sides.
Your comment that all British people who support Serbia are Fascists is wrong. How can Tony Benn be a communist one minute and then a classed as a Fascist when it suits you? Bit like Milosevic, when the western media propaganda machine was working overtime, one minute he was portrayed as a communist and then the following week he was a nationalist?
All the British I know are for Serbia and they are not Fascists.
Serbia is Kosovo.
Mark, UK.
Ian.
In many ways you sound like a intelligent man,but don,t tell me any brit who supports the serbs is a fascist i am certainly no fascist and i am as british as it gets.You know from history the fascists are the same people who have always been the fascists,that is most but not all croats bosniaks and kosovo albanians,these are the ones who were volunteers for the SS and other NAZI formations and death squads.The same way they are volunteers for the American new world order or the fourth reich,the third reich was going to be a thousand year reich it lasted about six years so i don,t think uncle sams mob will will last too long.
Mark
That’s why I send him that link and he should read Srebrenica ID but hey I don’t think they want to know,only people that really want to know the truth they look for information first and then support something.
Mark.
I agree there are some of us who have seen through all the western properganda i saw through it years ago the
Mark.
I agree some of us saw through all the anti serb properganda years ago the BBC is a disgrace in a civil war some bad things are done by all sides,but if one had been watching only western media for the past fifteen years one would think no serbs had been killed,and i am still waiting to see any real evidence that eight thousand people were executed at Srebrenica.Also NATO even broke its own charter when it waged its criminal attack on the FRY,not just international law.
@ Mark
You obviously have not properly read what I have written, so I have no time for you.
Whenever you don’t like what I’m saying you have to accuse me of been Albanian. Shame on you because you say some intelligent things, then you go and do pathetic things like that. Please view thins page if you think I’m Albanian http://www.myspace.com/ijanderson
Hopefully that will knock some sense into you.
Also can I ask are you Serbian or Russian? *sarcasm*
That silly fascist comment of me was in response to this silly comment.
”
Only Brits who support Albanians are the one who are doing their dirty work in our homeland!!!
Cheers
By UK on Mar 6, 2009″
I don’t actually believe every British person who supports Serbia is a fascist, it was just a silly reply to a silly comment.
Ian,
thanks for your answers, you ask I give answers and thn you pull out by saying “look at me, I’m english” I don’t care if you are english or not, I gave you answers, that’s how polite we are
Also my comment on Srebrenica was proving to “007″ that the Serbs did commit genocide regardless whoever else did. He rejected that Serbs committed genocide. However I’m not going to argue about Srebrenica, thats a whole different story. I feel like I’ve opened Pandora’s Box by mentioning Srebrenica.
Veljkovic you said that “Kosovo is a ancient part of Serbia”, then you said to read my history books on the past 100 years. I thought I would go back a lot further. To the time when the Illyrians inhabited the Western Balkans, long before the South Slavs immigrated south to the Balkans, then kicked the Illyrians off their own lands.
Veljkovic
Its not letting me post long comments
Also my comment on Srebrenica was proving to “007″ that the Serbs did commit genocide regardless whoever else did. He rejected that Serbs committed genocide. However I’m not going to argue about Srebrenica, thats a whole different story. I feel like I’ve opened Pandora’s Box by mentioning Srebrenica. @ Veljkovic you said that “Kosovo is a ancient part of Serbia”, then you said to read my history books on the past 100 years. I thought I would go back a lot further. To the time when the Illyrians inhabited the Western Balkans, long before the South Slavs immigrated south to the Balkans, then kicked the Illyrians off their own lands.
Ian, from ?,
Yes, you know that the Muslims committed genocide on the Serbs of Srebrenica that’s why you don’t don’t want to argue about it.
Now that you have brought up that old chestnut of Illyrians. You obviously know this website well so you know that the latest info on this subject is
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/posner/001.shtml.
Any answers for:
Why wasn?t the Serb Krajina a so called ?special case??
Do you have a problem with Leicester?s ?unilateral? declaration of independence in the next ten years or so?
Do you believe in international law?
Mark, UK
Ian,
This is not true,the Araps brought Aranauti some call them Arbanassi to Sicilly, from the Kavkaz in the 11 century, they were allready moslims when they fleeded the Romans and came to Albanija and Kosovo. This information you can find in the French ministery for education books that go way back to 1868 “Roman empire”.
Did you know that Turks used Albanians to fight the poor Arameanians, en genocide them, they don’t exist in Turkey anymore. Arameans was the language Jesus Christ spoke, Mor Gabriel is the oldest Orthodox monastery in the world that dates back to the 3 century.The Albanians are not so friendly and nice people that you think they are.Is this a coinsidence, that they were the ones that helped the Turks to genocide these poor people?
Dig in the books a little more, and you will be suprised what you find.
Sorry, for my english, I’m not so good at it, so I have difficulties to express myself in your language.
Ian have you read Srebrenica ID? Look it up.
Genocide was committed on both sides in the Balkan wars Ian UK is just a bias. Lets go back to Krajina and to Jasenovac and examine genocide there. Every war is connected to its past. This is typically Albanian when they are loosing arguments they bring up Bosnia and Croatia which have noting to do with these topics.
Veljkovic
Your English is just fine.
Thank you Dony, sometimes it’s diffucult to express myself in English, but I try…pitty I can’t always put everything in writing
007
When I hear the word genocide I want to scream.
You all use this word so easilly, that it’s discusting.
Genocide was made by the nazi’s against Jews,
Genocide was made by the Turks on Arameanians, where they killed eveything that was breathing, 1.5milion people all killed with one purpose, thay have to vanish from this planet.
Genocide was in Rwanda….
But there was no genocide in Srebrenica, you can call it whatever you want, let’s say in the worst scenario war crimes (I have another point of view)but please GENOCIDE is not wat happened there. If it was genocide then everybody was killed, but they let the old, women and children go.
Woords and the wrong use of them can make big damage!
There was no genocide in Srebrenica.
Ian UK, can you at least answer one of our questions please?
I ask you this. Have you bothered to read anything written by General MacKenzie or Scott Taylor or Noam Chomsky or John Pilger or Gregory Clark?
All of these people totally disagree with the propaganda spread about the Serbs.
Also, do you agree that Albanians, Croats and Bosnian Muslims have committed crimes against the Serbs?
If you do acknowledge that they indeed did commit crimes against the Serbs do you condemn them as harshly as you do the Serbs?
You see Ian, I think you cannot see past your bias to even bother looking for the complete truth. I never said that Serbs did not commit crimes but the crimes committed against the Serbs surpass the crimes committed by them.
Are you willing to be impartial and see where your “innocents” have gone wrong or is your blind hatred for Serbs preventing you from seeing the complete truth?
I am waiting for your to address this and please no skirting around the issues. Just answers.
Genocide is attempted extermination of a race.
Ian, show me how Serbs attempted to exterminate Muslims and Croats.
This is just another area where Christains are fighting for their very lives. It’s the result of the islamic hard held belief that if any land was ever at anytime conquered by islamic jihadists; that land forever is a battlefield for islamic jihad for the purpose of making islam supreme throughout the entire globe. Unfortunately these people have already been involved in the cultural world war for too many years but never fear it won’t be long until the rest of us are involved. This will eventually become another world war only the supremist in this case will be mohammed who died 1600 years ago. It’s that his own personal mein kaumph that has survived to fuel this upcoming world wide battle. The jihadists already realize the seriousness of the coming conflict; it’s up to the sleeping majority of the Christian culture throughout the world to see the impending battles and rally, start war time production and take hold of the battle to iradicate islam and it’s hate, murder and maiming ideology from the face of this Earth and the hearts and minds of human beings on this Earth forever. Really sorry to be one of the first to realize and signal the truth of this matter, but you only need do the basic research and study of islam to know that they won’t stop until the win or are defeated/iradicated from the peace loving lands of this planet.
wileysnakeskins, Serbs are well aware of what await the world if Islam is left unchecked. Serbs have fought this monstrosity for centuries now but they need help. They cannot do it alone.
Every religion of this world apart from Islam should unite to get rid of this cancer.
Islam V Hindus
Islam V Christians
Islam V Budhists
Islam V even non religious people, yes you too Ian from UK.
Where ever there is war around the world, Islam is connected to it. Show me a conflict without Islam being a part of it.
Ian from UK I guess you would love to live under Sharia law so that is why you are fighting so hard to establish another Islamic country in Europe. Give them England if you are so generous.
The world MUST unite to fight them or we are all doomed.
Not all moslims are terrorists
but nearlly all terrorists are moslim!
Is this a coinsidence? NO WAY!
Genocide is attempted extermination of a race.
Ian, show me how Serbs attempted to exterminate Muslims and Croats.
By Peggy on Mar 7, 2009
That’s what I’m trying to say to whole time, Srebrenica was not genocide.
They use that woord so easy, and woords can make big damage.
@ Peggy
WW1, WW2, Cold War, Korean War, Vietnam War, Northern Ireland Conflict, Russian Civil War, Spanish Civil War, Mexican Drug War, 2008 Georgia-Russia conflict, Cenepa War, 2008 invasion of Anjouan, Irish War of Independence, Prague Spring, Russo-Polish War, Columbian Drug War, thats a few Wars which Islam/ Muslims had nothing to do with. They are all 20th & 21st century war, otherwise I would have a never ending list.
Also I am fully aware that war crimes were committed towards Serbs too by Albanians, Croats, Bosnians ect. But that wasn’t the point I was making, 007 said Serbs didn’t commit war crimes when they did. I never said war crimes were not committed against Serbs. So don’t accuse me of that.
Veljkovic not all terrorists are Muslims, look at the IRA and ETA for example. Also one could say that Bush is a terrorist. You have a very loose understanding of the word terrorist.
Veljkovic not all terrorists are Muslims, look at the IRA and ETA for example. Also one could say that Bush is a terrorist. You have a very loose understanding of the word “terrorist”.
@ Peggy
WW1, WW2, Cold War, Korean War, Vietnam War, Northern Ireland Conflict, Russian Civil War, Spanish Civil War, Mexican Drug War, 2008 Georgia-Russia conflict, Cenepa War, 2008 invasion of Anjouan, Irish War of Independence, Prague Spring, Russo-Polish War, Columbian Drug War, thats a few Wars which Islam/ Muslims had nothing to do with. They are all 20th & 21st century war, otherwise I would have a never ending list.
And if Kosovo is an “Islamic State” then how come same-sex marriage are permitted in the Rep of Kosovo? Surely that is not compatible with Sharia law.
I actually do know that Croats, Albanians, Bonians, NATO ect committed war crimes towards Serbs. I never said/ implied that they weren’t.
Also is anyone else having problems posting comments?
to ian
I think anyone who kills police and soldiers of the country they live in,that would qualify as terrorism or TREASON.
is anyone else having problems posting comments?
I know that Serbs were victim to war crimes, I have never rejected this.
Ian UK, I was referring to recent wars.
Didn’t you see how Islam is at war with EVERY other religion in the world.
You are so avoiding this issue.
So here it is again”
Islam V Jews
Islam V Hindu
Islam V Budhist
Islam V Christians
Hell, even Islam V Islam in some cases
Islam V Atheists as well (this means you) and you are still supporting them.
Now please address this not something I have not mentioned.
Who is at war today and is not fighting Islam?
Go on, tell us.
Ian, why are you defending Islam so much?
Do you care about the Jews and Christians as well?
I don’t see you feeling sorry for Christian casualties at all.
You are such a wanker.
again I say why are you wasting space on this site arguing with people like ian.educate people about what is going on in serbia and Kosmet and dispell the lies.Do not vote for the eu are tou aredone,instead look to people like Valclav klaus who took down the eu flag in Czech even though he is the pResident
Peggy, why do you hate Islam so much?
I dislike Islam as much as every other organised religion. I was just proving you wrong. Also I know Serbs were victim to war crimes. I never rejected that.
Peggy, why do you hate Islam so much?
I dislike Islam as much as every other organised religion. I was just proving you wrong.
I know that ethnic Serbian people have been victim to war crimes ect. I never disputed that.
Croats, Bosnians, Albanians & NATO have all committed war crimes, im not singling out Serbs. Also insulting me just shows how low you are.
Bosnians, Albanians, Croats and Montenegrins have committed war crimes too, Im not singling out the Serbian people.
Also insulting me just shows how low you are.
and of course I care for Jews and Christians too. A human is a human regardless of their religion. All killing is wrong.
i see now that these comments are here just to keep people talking in circles and not about real issues.Who knows who really writes this stuff
to ian
I think anyone who kills police and soldiers of the country they live in,that would qualify as terrorism or TREASON.
By doug on Mar 8, 2009
Great point Doug it is unknown how many Serb police officers were killed during the Kosovo war by Albanian terrorist, why doesn’t Ian answer us what happens in UK when a police officer is killed? Just curios
@ Evgeni
Usually the murder(s) get arrested. What do you think happens? Batman comes and kicks their ass?
@ Evengi
They normally get arrested. What do you think happens? batman comes and saves the day?
and Just for the record, two British soldiers were killed by the IRA a few days ago.
O really they get arrested? Once they do I am sure a mob doesn’t show up in front of the jail and once the police acts they blame it for killing innocent people. Exactly what Albanians were doing in Kosovo.
well thats what happens when fighting for independence, similar things happened when the Irish were fighting for independence and unification in the UK
And Ian you support that ? How is that normal when police or army are getting killed? If everyone did that this world would have one million countries.
I never said I supported that. Read my earlier comments when I said I oppose all killing. Also I don’t support all sepratists, I support Kosovo as I and many people believe Kosovo is a Sui generis unique case and yes I can understand Serbia’s opposition, but I have to disagree with Serbia on this issue.
Ian that is just a way out, I have read your previous comments. You are stating two different things you are against IRA but for the KLA? I know many Britt’s who oppose Kosovos independence you also called all them fascists? Saying Kosovo is a unique case is taking the easy way out both of us know this.
But Its not just me who is saying that Kosovo is a unique case is it? Also im against the IRA and KLA, I oppose terrorists/ paramilitary groups. It is possible to support Kosovo independence and oppose the KLA.
UN is not supporting it and that makes up majority of the countries regardless rich or poor. Sorry to disappoint you but KLA was the one who made Kosovo into what it is today. Ian wonder what will take place in Europe when Russians gain a little bit more power as they are day by day and then we will see where Kosovo will go.
Americans are only in Kosovo because of one reason and that is: Camp Bondsteel, which makes them a little bit closer to you know who. Everyone who has recognized Kosovo has done it because of a reason and that reason sure wasn’t because of Albanians but because of money.
I would say that UNMIK and KFOR/ NATO made Kosovo what it is today. I agree with you over Russia, it will one day rival US, EU, China ect later this century, its a fast growing power. But by then Rep of Kosovo will be well established. Also surely you know that the UN is full of s**t had has little/ no power. Its just an international talking arena.
Ian good we agree on Russia you know they stated that they will never recognize Kosovo. Along with China and India, I wonder how they will be established with out those 3 future powers? Something to think about. In my opinion UN is still respected it includes the rich and poor high and low not just the rich such as NATO.
Yeh well the word “never” is laughable in the international arena. FR Yugoslavia said it would never recognise BiH and Croatia ect, but they did. Serbia didn’t really care about the UN until Kosovo declared independence. Also Russia doesn’t care that much about the UN either, Russia just sees the UN as a useful tool now and again, with the odd veto here and there.
But Its not just me who is saying that Kosovo is a unique case is it? Also im against the IRA and KLA, I oppose terrorists/ paramilitary groups. It is possible to support Kosovo independence and oppose the KLA.
By Ian, UK on Mar 9, 2009
Contradictory again Ian,
You support Kosovo but don’t KLA? Kosovo is KLA, from the first man to the last! If your not with them, they even kill their own!This is like supporting the pregnant mother but not the baby, it goes together Ian.
Fr Yugoslavia is nothing compare to what is Russia,China and India that is not even a comparison on the same page. Those things you have mentioned have nothing to do with each other, its simple as soon as Bosnia recognizes Kosovo they have to recognize Republic of Srpska. Russia doesn’t care about UN but it sure does for Serbia even more now after buying out their oil industry.
Veljkovic is correct Ian contradicts half of the stuff he writes puts up good debating points but from personal level contradicts them.
Veljkovic, so your saying its not possible for me to support Kosovo independence through peaceful methods? Evgeni, OK then China said it would never recognise Mongolia, but it did.
Ian and that leaves Russia lets say even China and India do recognize it which wont happen , Russians will never its not just about Serbia its about the land and where Kosovo is centered. Ian your reply’s are very weak, I wonder how the English would feel if Russian army supplied IRA.
Ian,
what peaceful methods?
Ethnical cleansing of the Serbs, organ trafficing, drug trafficking through the KLA?
Accepting money from islam terrorists organisations, and buying weapons?
Bombing a soverein country and stealing a part of it’s land?
Is that peaceful Ian?
Peaceful fight for independence is what Dai Lama is doing to free Tibet man.
Kosovo is everything but peaceful, common!
You really think Russia supports Serbia that much? Russia is in the game for itself only. Russia will do what ever suits it, not what Serbia wants. Also you misjudge China, it has never said anything negative about Kosovo, it has remained rather neutral and asked for further negotiations ect. The UK probably wouldn’t think much, the Americans supplied the IRA and probably still do. But that didn’t/ doesn’t change much.
My post isn’t getting through, maybe it will.
I don’t agree with what you say about peaceful.
Kosovo’s so-called indenpendence did not come in a peaceful way Ian, you know that they bombed a soverein country, and you know that only 56 of the 197 UN countries have recognized it. Is the rest stupid then?
Of course Russia supports Serbia that much not because of what they share but like I mentioned in what they own in Serbia such as oil&gas(NIS). Russia doesn’t do what Serbia says but they sure agree over Kosovo. No one cares about the Albanians in Kosovo, that should be clear to you.
Veljkovic that is because Serbianna has a limited amount of posts you can put at a time.
Peaceful is what Dai Lama is doing, trying to free Tibet.
Why doesn’t the NATO bomb China then, and make then let Tibet go?
Ian?
Evgeni,
the Russia today is not the Russia back then with dronken Jetsin, this Russian goverment doesn’t get pushed around so easilly
Completely agree Veljkovic , I believe I should know as I am sitting in St. Petersburg.
Ian UK, you are not only a wanker but also a liar. Don’t tell me you acknowledge that Serbs were victims as well and you feel something for them when I have NEVER seen one positive remark about Serbs from you.
EVERYTHING you have written so far has been a condemnation of Serbs. You have been in the Albanian corner the whole time and not once have you ever condemned their crimes.
If you want to be taken as credible then condemn K-Albanians as well and say openly how you find their crimes just as repulsive as the Serbian crimes.
I bet you can’t do that. So don’t come on here bullshitting us.
When you go on record and condemn Albanians for their crimes and stop defending them I will think about changing my opinion of you. Until then, don’t try to make fools of us.
Prove you care about the Serbs as much as you care about the Albanians. Go on B92 and say something in condemnation of Albanians for once. Go on “New Kosova Report” and argue that Albanians have committed crimes as well.
Until then, you will remain a wanker and a liar.
Ian supports a peaceful Kosovo indenpndence, what a joke.
What is peaceful about it? Thousands of dead, drug, organ, weapons trafficking, bombing a country and then making a military base in Kosovo? Breaking all international laws. Peacful? Please. And what about the other 2/3 of the world, are they also so wrong?
People like Ian UK would love nothing better than for his assumptions of Russia to be true.
He would love Russia to abandon Serbia.
If he really believes that everyone has committed crimes why then does he only condemn the Serbs? I have never seen him say one negative thing about Albanians. Not on B92, not here.
C’mon Ian, prove me wrong, say something positive about the Serbian casualties and condemn the Albanians, just once.
I have just left two posts and neither one got through. Maybe later on.
Ian won’t care if Russia supported IRA as he only cares about his beloved Albanians.
BTW, The English should get the hell out of Ireland. It is not their territory. English should stop their imperialism. It won’t work any more. English race seems to be the the nastiest. Just look at all the territories they stole and all the slaves they took.
Ugly beasts.
Veljkovic no need to get worked up about it, everyone has their opinion but in Ian’s case he just contradicts in what he writes take a look on the top where he says every Brit who supports Serbia is a fascist, how can you take such a person seriously?
Peggy surprised you forgot to mention what they did in India.
my comments are not coming through either, only short ones
Tell me what was violent about the 2008 declaration of independence? 1999 was not peaceful, but it was in response to oppression of the Albanians in Kosovo and the situation escalated. Yugoslavia/ Serbia lost the right to govern Kosovo in 1999. Only 55/192 UN countries recognise Kosovo, so what? The number is rising slowly but surely and Kosovo has most of the vital recognitions. As Kosovo becomes more and more established, the amount of recognition rises. I don’t expect 99% recognition in the next 10-20 years, but I expect an increase in recognition and once Kosovo has half recognition, Kosovo can become a UN Observe and Russia won’t be able to veto that, just like the UK and US couldn’t veto Palestine from becoming a UN Observer. Kosovo has time on its side all Serbia has is a four digit number.
@ Veljkovic
What was violent about the 2008 declaration of independence? 1999 was not peaceful, but it was in response to oppression of the Albanians in Kosovo and the situation escalated. Yugoslavia/ Serbia lost the right to govern Kosovo in 1999.
Lets hope they are valid comments which don’t contradict what you write.
@ Peggy, answer my questions please and also why can’t you leave a civilised comment. You seem to be really racist.
It’s not that Evgeni, but if you support something then you have to know what you support.In Ian’s case he just has a couple of Albanian friends that would stabb him in the back if Thaci said so. It’s a pitty they don’t get it!They don’t have a clue who we are dealing with here.
Yugoslavia/ Serbia lost the right to govern Kosovo in 1999.
By Ian, UK on Mar 9, 2009
Who decided this Ian? NATO? Who gives them the right to break and make countries?
Ian has a couple of friends who are Albanian and that is the reason he posts constantly on Serbianna , what would the point be ? He is not changing anyone’s mind just giving smart Brits a bad name by stating that fascist comment.
I guess Ian has lost the will to debate with me. I have debated many Britts on different issues but by far this was the weakest debate I have encountered.
Make it short then Ian, who gives NATO the right to make and break countries and laws?
Yugoslavia/ Serbia lost the right to govern Kosovo in 1999.
Why because Serbian police was getting slaughtered and Serbian people made to live in fear as a minority in their own country.
Ian not gonna pull out now are you?
Common sense brings you a long way man, use it.
With other (no)woords, Ian says that the NATO has the right to make and break laws and countries.
So we better shut up and do like they say, or they will bomb us again, and again, and again till all the Serbs vanish from the face of the earth.That’s the power that rules and the rest have nothing to say. 143 countries are stupid and their say in the UN is not important. Who’s next?
Veljkovic, with reference your point a few days ago,your use of the English language is very good.
Mark, UK.
Ian, ?,
Why wasn?t the Serb Krajina a so called ?special case??
Do you support, “through peacful methods” of course, Leicesters’s (UK) ?unilateral? declaration of independence in the next ten years or so?
Mark, UK.
Ian, ?,
Your answer to the question by EVGENI about what happens when a police officer gets killed in the UK was “they normally get arrested” making the point, intentionally or not, that the process sounds very clean and precise. You forgot to mention that if they are convicted they are imprisoned. But, but following the Good Friday Agreement and in the case of convicted terrorists, they are then released without serving their full prison term.
Mark, UK.
Thanks Mark,
so Ian understood me?
Veljkovic,
Ian should have understood you perfectly.
Mark, UK.
Do you support, ?through peacful methods? of course, Leicesters?s (UK) ?unilateral? declaration of independence in the next ten years or so?
Mark, UK.
Mark, where is your evidence that this will take place? Leicester is predicted to have no ethnic majority by 2012, although English whites will still be the largest group. By 2019 Asians (many Hindus) may be in the majority, but most of those still identify with the UK. This “declaration of independence” just won’t happen, and if it does, it will come from a small minority and will go nowhere. Quite unlike Kosovo.
Dan, my post is not showing.
Mark, UK.
Dan, here is a another.
I’m not saying it will take place. I’m simply asking for Ian’s opinion on the scenario. Report issued late 2008 provided evidence that Leicester was the first UK city with a majority Asian community but don’t have the link to the report at hand. You are right, the Hindus have assimilated and the scenario may not occur because of this but you get big problems like Kosovo when the ethnics don’t assimilate. In Kosovo the Albanians have been driving the Serbs out in significant numbers since the second world war until eventually there are only a few left today, God bless them. It’s called ethnic cleansing in the western media but that word isn’t in the dictionary when it applies to the Serbs.
You sound a bit protective with your comment “just won’t happen”. But, I’ll ask you the question when it does in the UK will you support it
Mark, UK.
Dan, I’ll split up my reply.
Mark, UK
Dan, I’m not saying it will take place. I’m simply asking for Ian’s opinion on the scenario. Report issued late 2008 provided evidence that Leicester was the first UK city with a majority Asian community but don’t have the link to the report at hand.
Mark, UK.
Dan, you are right, the Hindus have assimilated and the scenario may not occur because of this but Kosovo is an example of what happens when ethnics don’t assimilate. In Kosovo the Albanians have been driving the Serbs out in significant numbers particularly since the second world war until eventually there are only a few left today, God bless them. It’s called ethnic cleansing in the western media but that word isn’t in the Oxford dictionary when it applies to the Serbs.
Mark, UK.
Dan, even split versions don’t get through so there’s no point.
Mark, UK.
So what if Leicester has a majority Asian community? Is that grounds for independence. Obviously not. Mark, you should read my comments, I’ve said I don’t generally support separatism. However I support the Rep of Kosovo.
Ian, yes obviously. But, if or when in the future a UK ethnic population arms themselves with heavy weapons and forces (with help) an illegal independence state would you support it?
Mark, UK.
Bravo Mark,
that’s the only valid thing they have against us, THE POPULATION ISSUE!
Ian tell us why yoi support Kosovo’s indenpendence, just curious!
Yugoslavia/ Serbia lost the right to govern Kosovo in 1999.
By Ian, UK on Mar 9, 2009
Who decided this Ian? NATO? Who gives them the right to break and make countries and international laws?
Mark, I wouldn’t support it because I’ve said several times that Kosovo is a unique case. Veljkovic, you ask why I support Kosovo. I’ll tell you why. My farther is in St John’s Ambulance (google it). As my father was in St John’s Ambulance, he was giving aid to the refugees from the Kosovo War who had just arrived at Manchester Airport from Kosovo. There was not the capacity to accommodate all the refugees, so members of St John’s Ambulance were asked to put up a family for a few days until they could be properly relocated to a refugee camp. So an Albanian family stayed with mine for a couple of days. It was not nice to see the state that they were in, they seemed so poor and miserable. The father had a few broken rips because he had been beaten by police. Thats why I have an interest in Kosovo and support the Rep of Kosovo because of the way the Albanians had been treated.
Ian, please,
I believe you, because I couldn’t find a good answer in your support. I’m sorry for that man, sorry for every victom of violence.
You say they were poor and misarable, they have up to 10-12 children per familiy, that is a choice to be poor Ian.
He told you that he was beaten by the police, maybe he was just lieing to get a permenent to stay in the UK.
This is happening everyday to the Serbs in Kosovo.Are their lives worth less?
This doesn’t mean that they should be granted a country.
Your look at the situation is emotional and personal, doesn’t mean it’s right.
Serbianna please put my post through
Apparently Palau has just recognised Kosovo, confirmation still needed.
Veljkovic, are your also having trouble posting comments? It works some of the time for me, but not always. Its kind of annoying, thats why I have had to do lots of small comments.
nope not working, I’ll try later or maybe let’s move to another topic?
It,s time to cut the bull,serbia must elect a government that has the guts to take kosovo back by force,that,s the bottom line.
@ dony
I would love to see Serbia try and take Kosovo back by force, it would make my day.
Ian
it’s gonna happen, sooner or later, terrorists know only one language and that’s the language of violence.
I’m against war, but for Kosovo I wouldn’t think twice.
Ian, so you support an illegal dismemberment of a sovereign state because some of the population were mistreated. That is the weakest argument that anyone could have expected. People are rightly or wrongly mistreated all over the world, e.g., Blacks in the US, Palestinians, Krajina Serbs cleansed by the Croats. What about them? Your family were very kind but you are selective with your pity. There were probably ethically cleansed Roma and Serb families arriving on the same aircraft that were ethically cleansed by the Albanians. Has your father considered voluntary work in areas where people need his medical help more than anyone in the UK. For example, ask him to go to the Balkans and help the Kosovo Serbs.
Mark, UK.
Ian, so you support an illegal dismemberment of a sovereign state because some of the population were mistreated. That is the weakest argument that anyone could have expected.
Mark, UK.
Ian.
Who the hell would be stupid enough to try and stop them?do you think america or the uk has the stomach for even more body bags coming back? we have too many of those from iraq and afghanistan,so lets get real.
People are rightly or wrongly mistreated all over the world, e.g., Blacks in the US, Palestinians, Krajina Serbs cleansed by the Croats. What about them?
Your family were very kind but you are selective with your pity. There were probably Roma and Serb families arriving on the same aircraft that were ethically cleansed by the Albanians.
@ dony
I would love to see Serbia try and take Kosovo back by force, it would make my day.
By Ian, UK on Mar 9, 2009
Come on man, just because you have met a guy from Kosovo, you would give your life for him? Bull, but I would and my brothers, father, sons and all decent Serbs would.Ian don’t be brave on the net, you wouldn’t do a thing.
You just don’t understand how deep we feel about this.
Ian, has your father considered voluntary work in areas where people need his medical help more than anyone in the UK, e.g., try the Balkans and help the besieged Kosovo Serbs.
Exacty Mark!
Veljko,
Since we are still receiving bodies from Serbia (yesterday seven) that have been massacred and hidden in your country and in certain cases left floating in the Danube, we can tell who the victim was during the Kosova war.
This is a lesson for us and prevent it for happening in the future. Kosova was not part of Serbia, look what happenned after the WWII. They left it with Serbia and even then, Kosova was part of the YU Confederation and had its own parliament and had a veto power.
Serbia had an issue in governing the whole YU and that is the reason y all of the countries starting with Slovenia, Croatia, and the rest who asked for self-governance. Milosevic wanted to rule the whole YU and stripped off the autonomy from Kosovars. We were asked to learn Serbian history, poisoned, and 90% of labor force were fired off their jobs for not accepting Serbian rule.
There is much more than just the war in ‘98. Albanians suffered long before that, the war was the explosion point.
WWII how dare you bring that up?
Albanians were alias with the usatscha’s and nazi’s killing hondreds of thousends Serbs, Roma’s and Jews in Kosovo and Serbia.
Get real!
As for the war Croatian ex minister Boljkovac made it clear that Croatia attacked Yu first, the Serbs were just stupid to try to keep Yu together.
WWII how dare you bring that up?
Albanians were alias with the usatscha’s and nazi’s killing hondreds of thousends Serbs, Roma’s and Jews in Kosovo and Serbia.
Get real!
As for the war Croatian ex minister Boljkovac made it clear that Croatia attacked Yu first, the Serbs were just stupid to try to keep Yu together.
Stop making comments about YU, this has nothing to do with it.Kosovo is a part of Serbia, always will be!
Spurs it’s Veljkovic I’m a Serb but you know that by now.
Don’t you dare bring up WWII, your people were nazi and ustascha little helpers doing the slaughtering for them, just like you helped the Turks with the genocide upon the Arameans, so please don’t even go there, it’s a pathetic try.
I was a little too anxious
I am with Mark UK
Like many Brits we are for Serbia and for Serbian people
Cheers
That’s the spirit Bj thanks man!
To Ian, still haven’t answered me,
With other (no)woords, Ian says that the NATO has the right to make and break laws and countries.
So we better shut up and do like they say, or they will bomb us again, and again, and again till all the Serbs vanish from the face of the earth.That?s the power that rules and the rest have nothing to say. 143 countries are stupid and their say in the UN is not important. Who?s next?
Looks like Ian is of such low intelligence that just seeing one example of what is happening in Kosovo he has become radicalized.
I wonder if he saw a Serb from Kosovo who was beaten and members of his family murdered if he would be just as radical and pro Serb. Only an idiot draws a conclusion of only one example and doesn’t look further for the truth.
I have already given Ian plenty of people to look up and see what they have to say but it doesn’t seem like he wants to know the truth as it would shatter his delusional world.
Ian, do yourself a favour and read a bit more from credible sources. One Albanian family is not the truth. Do you think that there are no Serbs in the same and worse position?
What about the ones whose organs have been harvested? They can’t come to England and stay at your house and tell you of their experience.
What a fool Ian is. One family story and he is totally converted.
Ian, go away you idiot and stop making a fool of yourself.
Veljkovic, Ian know everything because one Albanian family told him so.
Have you seen a bigger fool before? If that was a Serb family, I wonder if he would be just as radical.
Can you believe it! One family tells him about their experience and he shuts his eyes, ears and heart to all the Serbian families with worse stories to tell.
Yep, he is obviously one stupid wet behind the ears person.
He needs a lot of growing up.
I worked for years with refugees thay can from former YU, and you couldn’t believe you ears the lies the people told just to get a permenent to stay in one of the western european countries.
I know better!
The real refugees didn’t have the money or needs to fleed they stayed in the country,in refugee camps, these were the war victoms, and still are.
Peggy,
you say if it was a Serb?
Serbs don’t cry to other people, too proud of showing their pain, that’s why we have to speak for them!
Mark,
As much as I dislike NATO, they did invade FR Yugoslavia for a reason. The reason being that the FR Yugoslavia was oppressing the Albanians resident of Kosovo and the Albanians finally started to fight back and the situation escalated. Yugoslav police and paramilitary groups did oppress the ethnic Albanians, so Albanian paramilitaries fought back. Racak for example. Albanian was no longer an official language of Kosovo. Kosovo was stripped of Autonomy (autonomy didn’t mean much in the first place, its autonomy was powerless) and Serbian leaders solely ran Kosovo, no wonder they wanted to fight back. Many Albanians who worked for the state lost their jobs. There was curfews for the Albanians in Kosovo. The education system was bad for Albanians and it was pro-Serbian too, the majority of Albanian lecturers and students were kicked out of university in Kosovo. The Yugoslav secret police operated heavily in Kosovo too, which wasn’t comforting for the Albanians. They were allowed only one Albanian news paper and there were not allowed any TV or radio stations in Albanian. Kosovo was turned into a Police State, in which Serbians made up the majority of the Police and Soldiers who ran Kosovo. Kosovo’s economy was deprived and not helped. Does this sound like some of the population to you Mark? Milosevic and other senior Serbs have been charged for war crimes because of what happened in Kosovo. Consequently Kosovo has been ran as a separate entity to Serbia and since Kosovo through the will of self determination has democratically declared independence. Now if you can please put Kosovo into a similar situation elsewhere in the world let me know. You won’t be able to do so because Kosovo is a special unique case.
Oh my God, you really are brainwashed!
What do you mean they only had 1 tv program in their language, Serbia had 2.
The books that were trown out were books about Albanian separatisam.
The university in Pristina was in two languages, normal because Kosovo is a part of Serbia.Do the minoritys in UK have their own university’s?
The curfews were at the time when the Albanians were killing police officers, and there was a security problem for the population of some cities not all.
Ian these are stories from your friends, I have stories from mine, and my family want to hear them?
Ian, with all respect, to someone who has followed the whole break up of Yug from the start it does sound like you are stringing some buzz words together with no understanding of the facts. For example, the faked so called ?Racak massacre? was as described, fake, but provided the media attention and excuse to start bombing Belgrade. These are well known facts established by independent Finish pathologists and you?ll find them if you persevere. Like I said, old news, so I don?t keep the links but I?m sure someone might help with the links. Interesting that your ?friends? haven?t briefed you well enough because you are saying that the Racak ?victims? were paramilitaries but when it was first rolled out to the media they were described as civilians. Just to give you a taster, the Finish pathologists found that bullet holes in the corpses didn?t line up with the ?civilian? clothes that they were wearing and the expected amount of blood was not found at the scene. I suggest you stick to UK politics and find some new friends.
I’ve sent a reply to Ian but not getting through.
They didn’t have any TV channels in Albanian, they were not allowed under Milosovic. Yes the languages were Serbian and Albanian in the University of Pristina, I never disputed that. And yes the minorities in the UK do have their own universities, I go to University in Bangor, Wales. All course are available in English and Welsh.
Also these are not “stories” from my “friends”, this is what happened to the K-Albanians under Milosovic.
Mark, UK
It took me all day to reply, it just wasn’t accepting my comments for some reason, I’ve emailed Serbianna complaining that the comment system is not functioning properly.
Your comment has appeared to come through. What “friends” of mine are you talking about? Also I thought that there were them famous pictures of William Walker walking next to dead bodies of Albanians at Racak. Regardless if they were paramilitaries, shouldn’t they have been tried properly and at least given a proper burial? Instead of executed on the spot?
Also even if Racak isn’t all its cracked up to be, that still doesn’t mean that the K-Albanians were not oppressed, what about all the other stuff that happened to them which I mentioned above?
Ian, please do answer this question. Have you read anything by General MacKenzie, John Pilger, Noam Chomsky, Gregory Clark, Scott Taylor or anyone else apart from your own newspapers?
Please just answer honestly here. If you haven’t then you haven’t given yourself a chance to get the other side. There is always two sides to every story.
Why do you insist on only knowing one?
Peggy stop waisting your time,he is brainwashed.
It’s a pity that the media has people so MIND-CONTROLLED that the human rase can’t see the truth. The majority of the people think the same way. They see only what the media controlled by the goverment want them to see, nothing more and nothing less.
He didn’t answer my questions either.
Peggy, I’ve tried replying, but its not appearing.
Veljkovic, why don’t you comment on my examples of how the K-Albanians were oppressed instead of saying I’m brainwashed. Also FYI I’ve studied the media and I’m fully aware how it can brainwash people. I don’t just read Western books and read western media, I get my media from all different angles. If I was “brainwashed” I would love the US and NATO according to you and I would also hate Russia. When its quite the opposite. Here is an anti-Kosovo video which I have watched and you might be interested in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb09xzdvVKk&feature=related ,this is part one, I’ve watched it and it makes some good points, which I can’t disagree with, but it is biased and I can see where it has “missed out” parts.
@ Peggy, I have read works by Slavoljub Djukic, Tim Judah, ??? Ross (can’t remember his first name) and a book by the independent international commission on Kosovo. I know there is two sides to each story, thats why I read sites such as Serbianna which are blatantly Anti-Kosovo and Pro-Serbia. Also I don’t insist in knowing one side of a story. I’ve said before that I know that Serbs have been victim to war crimes from the Albanians. But at the end of the day I have to lean towards Pro-Kosovo independence.
I have read books by Slavoljub Djukic, Tim Judah, ??? Ross (can’t remember his first name) and a book by the independent international commission on Kosovo. I’m studying history, I have to read books by authors who I disagree with, so I’m used to reading what the opposing camp says on all topics I’ve studied, I don’t just look at one side of the story.
I’ve also read part of a book by S Ramet, but it was more to do with the War in Bosnia than Kosovo.
Veljkovic, you are right don’t bother wasting your time. Students normally investigate the facts and deal with facts but Ian, whoever he is, doesn’t. The true facts are difficult to obtain in the UK because the media brainwashes the population with politicised news.
Ian – I think the author whose name you couldn’t remember is Jonathan Ross. Or maybe his brother Paul.
I think you will find that the UK is not with Serbia as Miliband is dotting the globe lobbying for Kosovo. Also Brits who are with Serbia are fascists.
By Ian, UK on Mar 6, 2009
What sort of dumb f*cked up moron are you Ian !
Miliband is the dumbist minister in the most unpopular crapist Government the UK has ever had, a government that will be wiped off the political map at the next election !
Read your history you dumb f*ck, Serbia supported the allies in WW2, the Albanians are the fascists, they supplied 2 whole divisions to the SS, on the instructions of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem ! their is a direct link between fascism and islam, you support those same Albanian islamofascists and their annexation of Kosovo, therefore you are the defacto fascist Ian ! Ask down at your local islamist book shop for ‘Mein kampf’ it will be with the best sellers section, along with the islamofascist guide on ‘How to use usefull western idiots’
The ordinary British people support our true friends in Serbia.
Kosovo is, and always has been, Serbian
…immature
I answered your aligations
Veljkovic, I think Ian was referring to Plogwig, not you.
KOSOVO IS SERBIA
with love from POLSKA!!!brothers!!!!
Veljkovic
you mean my facts, also you said things wrong. Why not wrongly reply to more?
Ian reading your comments it is nothing other then contradictions. You still didn’t manage to answer how Kosovo is a special case? You have yet not provided any proof but looked to pass on the topic. It was nice of you to take the Albanian family. We took one Serbian family in from Kosovo unfortunately their mother was shot by Albanians during the battles. There is a sad story on every side.
Many of my posts didn’t go through but Ian still contradicts himself over Kosovo.
It was nice of you to take the Albanian family. We took one Serbian family in from Kosovo unfortunately their mother was shot by Albanians during the battles. There is a sad story on every side.
Ian it would be nice if you had some proof but regardless most of the people here who are real time educated about Serbian politics don’t buy your stories. My opinion is Serbs will fight for Kosovo in the coming years. Doesn’t matter if it is a Radical or Democratic every Serb looks at Kosovo as his or hers.
Ian anyone who knows Serbian politics isn’t buying your stories. Serbs will continue fighting over Kosovo regardless Democrat or Radical government.
Veljkovic is correct, it appears people such as Ian have been brainwashed, he looks at one political situation through one family. Justice will win Serbian people will get Kosovo back. That is final.
My replies to the rubbish from Ian, have not appeared !
Ian you are the fascist, read some history, Albanians supplied 2 SS divisions to Nazis, their is a direct link betweeen Nazis / islam, hence islamofascists. Get yourself educated Ian, you are saying some embarrassingly stupid things on here.
Kosovo is Serbia
Ian you still haven’t told me why you don’t read an article from any of the people I quoted.
Here are a few links,
http://www.newstatesman.com/europe/2008/08/pilger-kosovo-war-nato-serbs
http://www.lewrockwell.com/pilger/pilger20.html
just one more
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/rss/eo20070702gc.html
Now Ian, after reading just this much do come back and tell me if you think these people are crazy for writing what they write.
There is a lot more out there, but this much should be enough to let you know that you don’t know everything.
I have just sent some links to Ian and anyone else interested in reading the truth.
Hope it gets through.
Here is a link which refers to Gregory Clark’s article.
This Brit knows the truth.
http://thevoiceofeurope.blogspot.com/2007/07/serbia-owed-justice-in-kosovo.html
All, Veljkovic and others are right, there is no point debating with Ian because he doesn?t deal with historical facts. The UK media is so politicised and simplified to help the average person in the street to understand it is easily for people to end up brainwashed, e.g., there is always one goody and one baddy like a Hollywood film. Ian has been fooled by his ‘friends’ but he is trying to fool us by mentioning that he studies History at Bangor University. In the UK University performance league tables Bangor performs worse than the likes of Huddersfield and Bolton. I know, you have never heard of them, and that speaks for itself.
Mark and Evgeni I see that you are very educated on the Serbian Kosovo matter, Peggy and myself are Serbs so we arn’t so credible I noticed, that’s why I always have respect for people that come foward and try to defend our point of views and legimate worries for our country.
Thank you so much for your comments.
My post to Mark and Evgeni?
Hallo Ian,
you have to be happy that the albanian family stayed only
for a couple of days in your home, because days could become weeks and weeks months and months years…….
Thats wat happend with us.
They think that our home is from them and you think that thats OK??????????
Veljkovic, We are credible but to others we will appear biased.
The people whose articles I suggested to Ian to read are not Serbs and therefore cannot be accused of being biased.
I wonder if he will take the time to read any of the articles which I have supplied the links to.
Something tells me that Ian would rather believe one Albanian family and BBC than any of the people who were there and like MacKenzie were in command of the UN. More credible you cannot get.
Oh Ian, UK. Please stop, you’re killing me with your side splitting humour. Please tell me that you are kidding, right?….Your not? Then do yourself a favour and read up on the subject you are posting about.
Some good links have already been posted but for a quick idea of what is in store for us and why we support Serbia, read this, from an English point of view.
http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/kosovo.htm
http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/kosovoaw.htm
KOSOVO IS SERBIAN SERBIAN SERBIAN
HISTORY WILL REPEAT IT SELF OVER KOSOVO 500 YEARS UNDER TURKS AND WE TOOK IT BACK JUST LIKE WE WILL FROM ALBONIANS
Rrofte Republika e Kosoves!
Zivela Republika Kosove!
Long Live Republic of Kosovo!
Vivre la Republique du Kosovo!…
SHQIP NO ONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS IT ABOUT CHILDREN ORGANS?
Gee I wonder if Ian had time to read the articles I sent links to or he was too busy writing pro Albanian comments of “Sofia echo” site.
You see Ian, I see all your comments and none to date have had anything positive to say about any Serb, but very, very pro Albanian.
Are you sure you are not Albanian?
Anyway that’s not important. I wonder if you had time to read the articles.
Peggy also read his comments on Sofia of course he is an Albanian most likely 5th generation living in UK where all of them will end up sooner or later.
FU*K YOU ALBANIANS FU*K YOU
S-R-B and Peggy, they can have them all, I’ll bring them peraonally there.
Peggy,
Mr. Gregory Clark is just wonderfull, smart man, very smart with a CV to proove it!
Ian’s comments on B92 confirm that he is Albanian. He expresses himself like the all do (sarcasm) and is always so anti Serb that you would think the family he was talking about was his own.
He won’t go near any of the articles I sent him links to because he is afraid of the truth. He would rather go on reading very selective material just so he wouldn’t have to be confronted with the truth and shatter his delusional world.
No matter how many times I ask him if he has read anything by the people I mentioned he NEVER says yes or no.
What can he say anyway. If he says he has read those articles then he he calling those people liars and that is really stupid and if he says he has not read them then he obviously doesn’t want to confront anything which doesn’t fit into his description of Serbs and Albanians.
He is not worth wasting another second on. Obviously he only knows how to repeat the same old garbage.
Yes, Velkjovic, all the people I mentioned are very smart. That’s why they haven’t fallen for Albanian crap.
Peggy Ive read them articles but its not letting me respond
Peggy: Pilger makes some good points, but he does overlook how the Albanians were treated under Milosovic and he fails to mention that 1,000,000 Albanians had to leave Kosovo. But I understand that Serbs and Roma also had to leave Kosovo too, as many as 200,000. He claims that the NATO attack on Yugoslavia was “unprovoked”, I think I’m not the only person who would disagree with Pilger here, for example, why have Serbs been tried and prosecuted for war crimes in the Kosovo war? Pilger makes some good points about the wrong doing of the KLA and I agree with him on that. Obviously he is subjective and I understand that, this is one of his aims. But he himself is only telling one side of the story, overlooking significant points of the other story. I understand that Pilger is a well respected journalist, but I would critic him on bias.
Also Peggy when you asked me if I had read any works by certain people, I thought you meant entire books not single news articles. You have obviously selectively chosen this articles to support your view point. I could easily do the same. When I gave you a couple of names, they wrote entire books on the Kosovo War, giving more detailed analysis of both sides of what happened. Also you keep saying I’m Albanian. Well by that logic, your not Australian, but a Serb. Your pathetic. You produce a few bias news articles and think your right good. Whatever love.
“The Voice of Europe” is my favourite article of yours, so armature. And Peggy what was your purpose of showing me these biased articles? they have only told me a small amount, which I was ignorant to previous to reading these articles.
http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/kosovo.htm
http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/kosovoaw.htm
By Anglo Saxon on Mar 11, 2009
Great links Anglo Saxon, good to see other educated friends of Orthodox Serbia in the UK.
Kosovo is Serbia
Ian, and I suppose you are not telling only one side of the story.
I see, you are allowed to constantly bash Serbs and only tell Albanian side but when someone else does they are biased and you don’t have time for them.
You have just shown yourself to be a LOSER.
Funnny, Ian accuses everyone of being biased if they have the audacity to speak how it was for the Serbs while he himself doesn’t think that he is biased.
He doesn’t seen to dispute that Serbs have suffered at the hands of Albanians but still has no sympathy for them. So what if the Serbs suffered, as far as he is concerned they deserved it.
Typical Albanian excriment.
Ian those 1.000.000 Kosovo Albanians fleed from the NATO bombings not from Serbs.
Anglo Saxon
great link thanks
Anglo Saxon, good link , I’m sending it forward, thank you.
SILLYBILLYBAND
Orthodox England? they’re big aren’t they…
Ian so? Only the big count?
My mama use to say, Poison is kept in little bottles!
the poison in them bottle might have been weak and powerless like Orthodox England.
bottles*
Hey everyone, stop wasting time with Ian. Only Ian is allowed to be biased you know.
Only Ian is allowed to tell one side of the story so don’t even go there any more.
Ian knows all. Ian has all the facts and nobody else does. Ian was told by an Albanian family so he knows everything now.
Forget MacKenzie, Pilger and others. They don’t know anything because they didn’t have an Albanian family living with them.
We salute you Ian. Now go away. You have successfully converted us all to only hear your side. Go in peace and don’t return.
Hello all,
Ian claims not to be Albanian but he troll through all the media supporting the Albanians. Why would someone who is not emotionally invested go through all the sites?
Here is his latest. On “New Kosova Report” regarding a claim by Albanians that Serbs were harvesting their organs and sending them to Russia this is what he has to say.
Ian, UK said:
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What have you got to say to that Camp-Serbia?
haha
you will most likely reject it and say that it is “Albanian Propaganda”.
Funny how they never seem to mention all the Serbian Propaganda.
If anyone is interested in knowing exactly who Ian is go to “New Kosova Report” site and read his comments. The story about Albanian claims of Serbs harvesting their organs and shipping off to Russia.
Actually I didn’t speak to the family much, they couldn’t speak much english. Besides I was oblivious to Yugoslavia back then, I had never heard of Kosovo before that. I had know idea what an Albanian was back then either apart from the fact that they come from Albania. That was 10 years ago. It did make me become interested in the place though. Since then I have read books, news articles, journals, encyclopedias, websites, blogs ect and I have come up with my own opinion. But then again, like everything, Peggy is right because she knows everything therefore she is always right.
Peggy, actually I didn’t speak to the family much, they couldn’t speak much english. Besides I was oblivious to Yugoslavia back then, I had never heard of Kosovo before that. I had know idea what an Albanian was back then either apart from the fact that they come from Albania. That was 10 years ago.
It did make me become interested in the place though. Since then I have read books, news articles, journals, encyclopedias, websites, blogs ect and I have come up with my own opinion. But then again, like everything, Peggy is right because she knows everything therefore she is always right.
I’ve read books, news articles, journals, encyclopedias, websites ect and I have come up with my own opinion.
Since then I have read books, articles, journal, encyclopedias ect and come up with my own opinion on the situation.
But then again Peggy must be right because she is always right and that some biased journalist told her what is right, therefore we must ALL believe her.
Peggy, why does it really frustrate you when someone else has a different opinion to you?
You can have a different opinion but don’t come here telling us that Serbs are evil etc. and certainly don’t go on “New Kosova Report” and say ha ha (laugh at Serbs) and not expect to be pulled up on that.
If you say really did as much research as you said, then there is no way you could possible hate Serbs that much. You only researched what suited your warped wishes to be true. You obviously don’t care that 200,000 Serbs were expelled from Kosovo and never once did you condemn the church and monastery burnings. OH yes, this did not happen because MacKenzie and Pilger think it did and we all know they are so biased.
Give me a break. Go away and take your hatred with you, you Albanian scum.
So tell us Ian, what makes Pilger, MacKenzie, Taylor, Clark and Chomsky biased.
I am really dying to know why they are. What do they get out of it?
You obviously know this to be true, so enlighten us less fortunate how you know this.
We all know why a politician would be biased. He looks after his country’s interests, but the people I mentioned don’t have anything to gain by lying.
Silly me, I must’ve missed something.
Pilger calim’s that the NATO invasion was unprovoked. Even though I dislike NATO they invaded because the situation got out of hand in Kosovo. If all was going well and peaceful and NATO invaded, I would class that as unprovoked. Also Pilger only mentions what Albanian Paramilitaries/ Terrorists did, he doesn’t even mention the Serb Paramilitaries/ Terrorists and what they did. He does not mention how the Albanians suffered under the Milodovic-Markovic regime. He doesn’t mention the Serbs who were convicted of War Crimes apart from Milosovic. Clark the same, he is also sympathetic towards the Serbs over what happened in WW2. Overall extremely pro-Serbian. Neither say a thing which moderately makes the Serbs seem guilty of any wrong doing, when we all know that they were not innocent, thats is why many Senior Serbs have been convicted for their roles in the Kosovo War.
Peggy, let him be, it’s his loss, to live so blind in a a mind and media controlled world.
Veljkovic, I don’t care what Ian the Albanian believes in but I do like to corner him.
He never answer any of my questions directly.
Ian is not blind. He knows what is going on but as a true Albanian of Pom of Albanian descent he will never admit anything. That’s why I like to corner him as he cannot possible answer my question like why would those people I mentioned be biased and he is not.
Peggy, he had the luck that the Albanian family stayed for just a couple of days, we didn’t, they came and never left and at the end even stole our country.
He doesn’t even read the links, here I have another one for him, let’s see what happens?
Ian this one is for you;
http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=5079
It is funny how Ian could communicate with this Albanian family. It just so happened that they could speak English.
I think it was more like Ian’s family speaks Albanian.
Imagine, a poor Albanian villager from Kosovo who hardly speaks Serbian can also speak English.
Oh Ian, give it up. Albanian was spoken in you home with this family.
The investigation is finished ha ha GUILTY
Pilger mentions the wrong doings of the Albanian Paramilitaries, but does not even mention the Serbian Paramilitaries. He claims that the NATO attack was “unprovoked”, if it was unprovoked, then how come the situation escalated out of hand in Kosovo, things were not going well and all peaceful as he suggests.
Why doesn’t he mention how the K-Albanians were treated under Milosovic and how he tried to Serbianise Kosovo?
Why doesn’t he mention all the Serb politicians and other elites convicted of war crimes for their role in the Kosovo war apart from Milosovic?
Ian, Isn’t it enough for you that the corrupt media in US and UK are shouting all that from the rooftops? Do you want the whole world to only scream how Albanians are victims and leave the other victims ignored completely?
Is this justice for you?
Stop pushing your side already. You see MacKenzie, Pilger and the rest have had enough of your side of things and want to get the other side out. Is this so bad?
Well to an Albanian like yourself of course this is bad.
So shut the hell up and go away you stupid little boy.
Same for Clark, not to mention how sympathetic Clark is towards Serbs due to what happened in WW2.
You do realise that Western media hardly reports on the Kosovo situation.
Also calling me Albanian when I’m not is getting old.
Also why should I go away, you asked me a question on how they were biased and I kindly replied. You have failed to “get me into a corner.”
I think your a stupid little girl for thinking that I access all my media related to Kosovo from western media, for example why am I on this site?
Why do I go on B92?
Ian.
Of course the western media don,t report on kosovo,because they don,t want the people to know what the hell is going on ,like churches being blown up and going up in flames.
so how does this support your claim that I’m brainwashed by Western Propaganda if Western Media isn’t reporting about Kosovo, but ‘neutral’ sites like this do report about Kosovo, which I read?
Also Peggy, Mr Clark has a lot of sympathy for Serbia due to WW2, so this makes him biased
“Orthodox England? they?re big aren?t they?”
Yes they are Ian, UK.
Part of the Orthodox Christian family with an estimated 225 million believers worldwide.
Not just Greek and Russian Orthodox but Serbian too:-
http://www.st-johnthebaptistchurch-halifax.org.uk/index.html
Why don’t you come inside and join us. You know it’s where you really belong. If you live in the UK and not Albania you will find a Church near you on here, I’m sure.
http://orthodoxengland.org.uk/directory_2007.pdf
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Ian you have not answered my question how MacKenzie and Pilger and Chomsky etc are biased. You are probably convinced that they were paid just like Biden.
Now you are of Albanian stock. You might be born in the UK but sure as hell you have Albanian blood running through those veins as you have demonstrated incredible love towards only the Albanians. I am not saying you have to love anyone but to actually hate the Serbs when they themselves are also victims you are a liar. You do have Albanian blood running through.
Tell us, did you have an interpreter present at your house or did your daddy or mummy speak Albanian to the family?
Also, I am not a little girl. I have children of my own you idiot.
How the hell can you know if someone is biased and why. Have you interviewed these people to know why they are speaking up?
You are a real moron because you shoot your mouth off without even knowing what you are saying.
Ian do tell us, have you asked these people if they are biased and why so you can speak with this certainty?
Maybe they just want to get the truth out because it is the right thing to do.
Unlike you, they believe in getting the truth out and not just Albanian truth because they love Albanians so much.
Ian.
You have been brainwashed,when the western media have reported on kosovo it has been a one sided story that is how they work they are part of the empire,the organ outrage the burning churches not once on the BBC but if a serb farted in a albania market it would be a war crime.
Veljkovic peggy and others, l wouldn’t waste your time time on idiots like Ian. Unfortunately we have many of these ‘usefull idiot’ types here in the UK, ignorant of their own History and even more ignorant of the History of the rest of the world. They are indoctrinated by other lefties at their third rate Universities, then let loose on the world to try and spread their purvurse multi cultural, one world UN Government view of the world. You are correct to think they are brain washed. In their world ethnic minorities like Albanians can do wrong, and National Pride by Serbians or British people is something they hate, even to the extent that they will support the islamofascists against their own people and thier true allies.
Kosovo is Serbia
Ian doesn’t have the guts to answer any of my questions but thinks he can divert attention to his rants.
Ian, you fool, we have heard it all before. You can stop being the Albanian mouth piece.
Either answer my questions of just piss off.
Nobody should even acknowledge Ian until he starts answering questions instead of hurling accusations.
This means he will be in limbo forever. He cannot answer a simple question like what makes those people biased and how does he know they are. Why would they be? I suppose MacKenzie and Pilger have reasons to be biased but Ian doesn’t because he is more informed than they are.
Ian more informed than MacKenzie who was there or Pilger. What a wanker.
Peggy you are completely correct, I follow many of your posts not just on this website but on many others and have learned many things. By the way my friend showed me http://www.kosovo.net have you seen the website Peggy? Lot of great information to learn about.
Peggy I enjoy reading your posts and have learned a lot of new information. Have you seen http://www.kosovo.net?
Beni, thank you for alerting me to this. I will take time to go through this thoroughly.
I will make sure to send on any information which I have not already to many people I correspond with.
By sending information of many people and letting them come to a decision of their own after they have read the articles I sent links to, many people who only have previously heard one side because they live in the US or Germany have thanked me and have now become Serb supporters.
You see, all it takes is to direct people to real information and they will make up their own minds after they have had a chance to see both sides.
You are obviously of the same mind as me.
Peggy,
when I was younger I had a conversation with my father, and asked him why don’t they get it? My father said to me, It takes a intelegent person to understand us, because our history is so simpel that it makes it so complicated.
Comon sense and a little higher IQ hi hi
Veljkovic, the don’t want to understand us but they do know us and this makes them furious.
Evil cannot stand good and evil gets angry every time they are confronted by good.
You see, good people are a constant reminder to the bad, just how bad they are and they cannot measure up to them and since nobody wants to feel bad about themselves, they direct their anger at the good person for showing them up.
It’s really simple, like you said.
I’ve said how Pilger and Clark are biased.
Well say it again because we must’ve missed it.
You said Clark is biased because of WW2. Did you actually hear this from him or is this just another one of your illusions?
You have not mentioned how the other are biased and why. MacKenzie, Pilger, Chomsky, Bissett, Taylor.
Go on tell us.
Read that article by Clark, he sympathises for Serbia, its obvious. Also what I can tell from his work is that he is anti-Islam (like you Peggy). He does not mention any wrong doing from Serbia either.
I have said loads on Pilger, scroll up and read the 4 or 5 comments I made on him.
You did not give me any articles for Chomsky, Bissett, Taylor, thus why I have not commented on them.
Ian do your own homework
your getting quite desperate if thats all you can come up with Veljkovic. I’ve said how they are biased ect. Ever thought media from Serbia and Russia is biased and that it also brainwashes people? Of course it does.
albanian all vrillg i am ortodo
Ian you are getting nervous, can’t even handle a joke, that’s what the Albo’s do to you.
Ian says that everyone who doesn’t tow the Albanian line is biased.
I suppose everyone who is on Albanian side is unbiased and reasonable and honest.
Albanians have never done anything wrong so how dare anyone speak of them in a bad way. Everyone must always tell about Albanian victims if they are going to talk about Serbian victims, but when talking about Albanian victims they don’t have to mention the Serbian ones.
You see, Serbs are not missed when they die. They deserve it, according to Ian of course.
What a tosser. He really thinks that his bias is ok but everyone else must not be biased.
Ian, we are waiting,coming back or did Peggy sweep you away?
Veljkovic, Ian has just left to add a few comments on New Kosova Report or B92.
He is a champion for Albanian cause. For a Brit, that’s very unusual.
He is on every site fighting Albanian battles.
Oh Ian, you are so transparent. I believe that you are British. I am Australian too but we have either Albanian or Serbian heritage.
It is what is in our veins that matters, not which citizenship we hold.